It's never a good idea to be the first to download any new OS. Expert users can always fix their own problems, but really, normal users should wait a week before migrating. At least, that gives time for critical issues to surface, and the release notes to be fixed. [To be fair to Ubuntu, if this were Microsoft, I'd be advising 18 months!]

So its not just wpa and wpa-supplicant ubuntu has a problem with anymore, its the Internet in general... Quick! Someone alert the Chinese Government!

Should only be installed when the user doing the install consciously selects it. I've had many issues with packages that had ipv6 support compiled in.

I am an unashamed Ubuntu user and have to admit that my eager pounce on 7.10 may qualify me as a fanboy, but I have to say, this post on the forum goes very nicely with the signature...

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Guess I'll hang onto Feisty a little longer then. :)

If you have an IPv6 stack active on Linux without IPv6 connectivity, you may well run into problems.

This is because if you resolve the name of some DNS servers you get both IPv6 and IPv4 addresses:

ns1.ja.net. 127654 IN A 194.81.227.226

ns1.ja.net. 86375 IN AAAA 2001:630:0:44::e2

...and if you have both an IPv6 and an IPv4 stack, guess which one is used in preference? Even if you don't get a DHCP'd IPv6 address, you'll still have a "link-local" one. So you end up not getting a reply from that nameserver, until you either end up talking with one which does not have an IPv6 address too, or your OS falls back to using the IPv4 address.

The solution is not to enable the IPv6 unless you actually have IPv6 connectivity. This is a config issue IMHO...

While my update to GG went okay, and I can actually connect my desktop to the network and Internet, Firefox now crashes at the drop of a Javascript. Most annoying.

I swear (literally) the system's slower too. There's bloat in them thar hills...

I don't have any trouble at all connecting with Gutsy - the only thing that didn't work for me was sound, but the latest version of the alsa drivers fixed that right up.

I had internet connection problems with Gutsy, but I fixed them by using OpenDNS. I expect the Ubuntu team will release some updates to the network manager.

Oh come on.

IF you're going to throw mud at the latest Ubuntu, can you at least find mud that will affect more than a few hundred ubergeeks worldwide? (How many UK ISPs support IPv6, for example? Less than a handful, I think you'll find).

IPv6 has been the "next big thing" now for over a decade. In that time the world of OSI networks (intended to solve some of the same problems, eg autoconfiguration and huge address space) has been and gone. Really, there's no need for anyone to panic yet because Ubuntu's IPv6 is less than perfect, doubtless there are other Linuxes whose IPv6 does work (see, that's the nice thing about Linux, so many to choose from, many slightly different, some very different).

The blog entry will tell you half of what you might need to know to get firefox going, but this is making microadjustments to the stable door, as all the stuff which should have been installed from the internet when you installed the OS didn't happen, and other things like Pidgin remain broken. If you do hit this problem, you really need to go and do a clean install somewhere where you can get a working network connection during the installation. If you're lucky and do the mods before going home, it may work.

I hit the same problems in dapper and edgy, feisty worked, and now the same symptoms are back. I don't have access to a "working" network to do a good install, so gutsy is a non-starter for me. Even if I did, it would give me no confidence to try and connect to someone else's network, so Ubuntu Gutsy is a non-starter for me and my laptop, which is a pity. Worse than that, I could not recommend it to anyone who wanted to try linux.

This issue hardly got any exposure in previous releases, so I can only hope that it gets enough this time around to get sorted properly by the next release. Meanwhile, feisty works for everything except the built in wireless (in the kernel from 2.6.23) and what I have seen of Gutsy looked very nice. My laptop middleman (you can't call them a manufacturer - its an OEM job via Medion) can't be bothered to do the right thing and make a working web complaint form, and I'm not paying and wasting my time on their phone support, so I can't even push them for an XP licence until MS make the Vista home bastard it came with work properly (the wireless driver just got updated to allow you the full horror of trying to copy files using Vista).

Yeah, that's bad...

On the other hand, I switched from OpenSuSE 10.2 to Kubuntu 7.10 on my old 1.2 GHz, 1 Gb RAM computer (with cable Internet) and had no problem myself. It is much faster now, I even experimented with running Windows 2000 inside VirtualBox and it performs perfectly. And I had no trouble with anything in my hardware. I wonder what is the problem with the other machines, maybe newer ones are not as well supported...

Ubuntu or any other OS will never jump over its "small genetic pool" threshold and all associated with it problems until they completely change the strategy. It's like in sport, nobody cares about the second. The top management has to go not on their conferences of geeks and supporters for next 6 months but instead (ready?) go to schools and even homes for retired and listen what 10-graders and elders will tell them how the top layer of GUI must be implemented. On this front layer, which is most difficult to master (and you think it's simple?), it does not have to exhibit a single bump or logical glitch and has to be completely transparent. Almost like on smartphone interface. Upgrades must be one click only, the file structure, on the surface, of minimal abstraction etc. All the nuts and bolts, like in a car, must be hidden under the hood where more complex layers of OS have to be for pro, geeks, and the rest.

With that in mind only Ubuntu will become "Jesus OS" smashing all others with its adoption to cosmic heights. Or continue stay in 0.5% adoption rate misery This is what is shuttleworthit thinking of. Or others will eventually come and do that, "the saint place is never empty"(c).

I admit the title of the post is inflammatory, but "...not so Gutsy" come on. I installed the pre-release of Gutsy on an HP desktop and everything worked just fine. I had Fiesty and found Gutsy faster. I don't appear to be in the minority, so I suggest you test the system before you write about it. By the way I am a fanboy of Ubuntu and love windows XP. There I gave you all the ammo that you need for the personal attacks. All I will say in response is Get your facts right or work at a tabloid.

/Michael Brinkley

Umbongo? Hahahaha! These funny sounding African words, eh! Gosh, they're all the same.

A little pathetic.

Anyway, now that Orlowski seems bored with poking Wikipedia with a stick, rubbish articles about minor issues in Ubuntu seem the order of the day. Iconoclasm is fine, Reg, but do it with a scintilla of style, or you just look like a boring Uncle in the corner who goes on about "them lot" and farts for attention.

Seriously, the article talks about "one" person...

Of the issues new users are dealing with, the network stuff really isn't standing out as causing problems, in fact, it seems network issues are in the minority by a long shot...

http://ubuntuforums.org and check yourselves rather than read this no-news.

Feisty was fine for me, but gutsy was doing acpi hangs within seconds of boot. (Finally tracked to processor.ko)

I reported the bug on launchpad 4 weeks before launch but could not get anyone at canonical to even notice it.

It's been noticed now.

Still, I get what I pay for and it's a bargain at that - no automatic lockout if I change hardware, no software audits or severe penalties (lose the house and gaoltime).

I also get the chance to help debug in a "meaningful" way.

Sam

I'd like to pay for support

There will be minor hiccups with bleeding edge software! I still have problems with the newest Linux kernel in itself. Using the latest kernel means that by default the hard drive that I boot from isn't referenced by /dev/hda2, its referenced by some UUID number which looks worse than an IPV6 address.

But, the point is that, there are new features and new features present bugs. Granted I've had issues with mounting my home directory on a separate partition during the Gutsy install and VNC seemed to not accept passwords, but I worked around that, cause hey... its new software.

If I wanted things to work right out of the box, I would have bought a calculator! No OS software works without hiccups.

...there's PCLinuxOS 2007.

All the flavor and none of the beardy hippie calories.

don't change OS's if you don't have a crying need not if it works basically you get the best fit of hardware to kernel and freeze it there if you get a new computer you go back and get the latest otherwise your wasting time and going to have all kinds of problems. Stop playing with your OS and get to work.

Upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy a couple of days ago using apt-get without any problems whatsoever. The only change I made was to ditch ndiswrapper and use the built-in bcm43xx support in the kernel, which was a conscious decision. Everything is as it was - makes me wonder why I bothered really...

xp became unworkable (again) on one of my boxes . an ancient asrock board. compared to an sp2 install on xp it was a dream, faster, and less intervention, and no demand for driver disks after install i have had no trouble with net access. Frankly my HP 1220 all in one is more of a pain in the arse to install.

Use bleeding edge, get cut. Any new release is bound to have issues. At least the Ubuntu crowd will probably have these things fixed in a week or two, unlike some other operating systems I could name where it takes then 2 months just to admit there's a problem.

I'm still on Dapper for my test stations. It works. I don't need it to do more than what it does. So I'm not changing. People who change for the sake of change really shouldn't be listened to when they whine about it.

I too had many problems with the "Networking" and connecting. I could do it, but had to constantly "fiddle" with it.

So, I wiped my hard drive and I will wait until they either fix it or find another version that I like.

sf

I'm a little tired of the infantile "umbongo" play on words too.

Dull,dull writing.

What a poor piece of journalism, reminds me of when I used to read treeware.

Fair enough if there is a problem with Ubuntu, point it out, but the problem is actually with routers that don't handle IPv6 properly.

Mind you reporters are mostly more interested in the "story" than the "facts".