Amazon pooh-poohs (ingenious) New York net tax plan

@ Crack-whore Coward

Boo-bloody-hoo! 'I hate governments because they expect me to pay for all of this stuff they give me!'

Get your head out from up your arse & admit that tax-avoidence it theft from your community.

Taxing the wrong end

I don't have a problem with states collecting sales tax, but I think they're going about it the wrong way. They should be allowed to tax at the source, but not the destination of the products being shipped.

The last thing I want to do is keep my web-store up to date with the tax rates for the 3000+ counties in the US. However, it is much easier to keep up to date with the one tax rate where my business is located. After all, the people who buy from my web-store come to visit me, where my server is.

Having it the other way around would give the mega-stores an edge over the little guys.

@Dean

I hate that government that concocts ways to steal money from me (income tax is "voluntary according to the IRS <although many who fail to volunteer spend a great deal of time in federal prisons> while telling me that I should be happy that my money is doing good works and helping the needy.

I do my helping by my choice through my church and do not have any desire to "help" through a faceless smarmy self righteous bureaucrat <leech is a better word>.

That is all. Now that I have that off of my chest, I feel so liberated!

oh please

> tax-avoidence is theft from your community

Right-o. So how much extra did you donate to your community? Zero? That's what I thought.

Personally, I bought tax-preparation software and spent several days determining how I can give the government as little money as possible.

If my taxes went toward things like an enhanced space program and more research, rather than welfare for crack-whores getting money for every baby they can pop out, suppressing stem-cell research, and teaching creationism, then I wouldn't mind so much.

Sales Tax?

Isn't that like Value Added Tax in the UK? This is normally collected by the retailer and prices advertised are normally inclusive of VAT. If Amazon can manage this then I imagine they could handle NY sales tax easily enough. <rant> While I'm on the subject, what the hell's wrong with America? I went there once and every retailer advertises their merchandise at prices exclusive of tax. This means naive Brits gallop up to the sales till, clutching some perceived bargain, only to be stung for some extra unspecified percentage and treated like an idiot by some snooty assistant who frankly, given their position, ought to know better. </rant>

Tight wads

Its just greed manifested as an inability to get your wallet out. I bet these "I gave at Church" types can't even get the beers in occasionally. You really wouldn't want to meet one for drinks, it would get all embarrassing when it came to paying the bill. They would get this furtive look an slope off to the bathroom for a bit, till any chance of them being separated from their pennies/cents had passed.

What a bunch of tight wads. Dysfunctional society anyone ?

Saying that VAT (sales tax) is the least progressive of all forms of taxation and should be abolished for something else, carbon tax ... anyone ... LOL

Get a grip, Larry

There's nothing in Dean's comment that suggest he himself is needy, and the "people like you" line wins you no friends.

I find it hard to believe that anyone posting on the Register has a 40-hour job pounding girders into the ground. In fact the extra taxes I pay as an IT worker subsidise the lifestyles of people who spend 40 hours a week pounding girders because it is those people who can't afford healthcare and schooling and they certainly don't have the luxury of posting online during the day bitching about how "unfair" taxation is.

I wouldn't use the phrase "dribbling moron" in polite company, but it does spring to mind.

Tax

Tax avoidance is the legal utilization of the tax regime to one's own advantage, in order to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within the law. By contrast tax evasion is the general term for efforts to not pay taxes by illegal means

as for the EU as indicated, if i buy within the UK i pay the UK Rates, if I buy from another country I pay their rates.

as for the UK, If I currenly breath freshair I am taxed on the basis i might one day be ill, if i earn money i am taxed, if i save the money I earn I am taxed again, if i spend money I am taxed any number of Sales, Excise Duty, Road tax, Roll charges, parking charges, new car tax, council tax, or "value added tax" (apparently food and heating is a luxuary and is subject to VAT) - i would pay more taxes but the public utility companies were nationalised thus I dont pay tax as these are now private services... of course private services are taxed.

if i die I am taxed again on any money I have or have saved and was previosuly taxed when initially earnt the money, then on any gains and then I am taxed again when i die

@AC - Taxing the wrong end?

"it is much easier to keep up to date with the one tax rate where my business is located. After all, the people who buy from my web-store come to visit me, where my server is."

There's really big and obvious hole in your argument. If it was implemented, the likes of the Cayman Islands and Antigua would be sinking under the weight of web servers within about a week.

I'm just taking a wild guess here, but I can imagine most governments not liking that very much.

Scrap it

VAT/Sales tax is surely going to get more and more unworkable the more global our economies get. I'd vote for scrapping it completely worldwide and make up the difference with a small increase in income tax. Does anyone know why this bizarrely complicated tax is a good idea?

Don't try to make sense of the US tax system$

(Not that yours makes sense either, but at least you have National Health and university education.) More or less accurate off the top of me head (New York resident):

Federal Income Tax - pays for the operations of Fed Govt, especially military and Medicare (retiree health), and interest on funds borrowed to cover deficit spending.

Alternative minimum tax (part of Fed) - originally intended to get rich people to pay at least some tax, now overcharges quite a few middle class people. Attempts are being made to fix this.

Payroll tax - pays for current Social Security retirees (matched by employer). Currently paid only on earnings below about $100k. This is illogical, used to be worse.

State Income Tax - optional by State, pays for operations of State govts, including State Universities (not free but less costly than Private), Medicaid (some health care for the poor), roads/infrastructure, some grants to municipalities, and other obligations including those matched or subsidised by Fed Govt.

Real Estate taxes - generally used to pay for public (free) schools. Areas with large average holdings pay for fewer students than more densely populated areas, thus per-pupil funds are less where people are poorer, in general. There is an active movement to change this illogical funding.

Sales Taxes - like VAT, inherently regressive, as lower income people spend virtually all their income (paying this tax) while higher income people spend a much smaller proportion of their income on taxable items. There is no sales tax on stocks and bonds, and the increase in value is taxed at the capital gains rate, generally less than the personal tax rate. Sales taxes are pretty much the only taxes that are easily controlled by the State and Local governments, so they are popular with Governors.

@scrap it

That's a fairly fundamental political issue.

The leftist approach, taken in France and much of the rest of the EU, is to heavily tax income on a sliding scale. The government then takes that money and spends it for you on things like health, pension, public services etc. It leaves you some so you have a little discretionary spending power. Those in favour of this approach will say that it ensure that the less fortunate are looked after. Detractors will point out that it removes the incentive to work, since the state takes all your money & looks after you in some minimal fashion anyway, and so it is bad for the prosperity of the country.

The rightwing approach, popular in USA/UK/Ireland, is to tax income as little as possible, on the basis that individual choice is important. You should make your own decisions about what you spend your money on, and only if/when you choose to spend it is tax is then collected on what you choose to spend. Those in favour will say that it encourages savings and self-reliance and respects individual choice, which is good for the nation as a whole. Detractors will point out that it reinforces inequalities.

In reality neither one nor the other workds perfectly, so most countries go the middle course. The US still has income tax, and France has VAT, for example. Shifting the balance between them is far from simple, and is one of the reasons that a single currency (and hence fixed interest rates) will never (IMNSHO) work properly.

Scrap it still

Because VAT and company tax is so complicated I end up spending £1,000 a year on an accountant so I can avoid paying slightly more than that in tax. If it was all made simple I'd sort it out myself and then even if taxes were put up I could afford to pay that grand to a teacher or a nurse.

I can understand luxury taxes on booze and fags etc... but wouldn't life be so much simpler (and cheaper) for businesses if most of them didn't have to employ an army of accountants to figure out VAT?

Spitzer is a tool

He would tax everything and anything at the state level and turn it around dumping it into the pockets of his political allies exclusive of communities who rejected him at the polls. He would direct state funds collected at gun point into useless projects in vain attempts to buy votes by pretending to reverse blight instead of attracting tax-paying citizens back into city centers.

Except he would cause more problems, and hence more tax-payer flight from cities and the state in general. Hardly seems fair.

Just wait until he hands over the University system to his cronies, and tuition leaps with no increase in performance, services rendered, or oversight. Just you shut up and pay your tax bill.

Learn from his mistakes, free your people to spend their money where and when they like, the taxes will flow from other sources because more wealth will be created.

@ taxes are the govt's right

you're all bloody commies, you are.

Re: Get a grip, Larry

So who said The Reg was polite company?

Hm...

"Federal Income Tax - pays for the operations of Fed Govt, especially military and Medicare (retiree health), and interest on funds borrowed to cover deficit spending."

I heard it all (almost a trillion $ or something) goes to the banks, as interest. But it could be something else.

Operations of the Fed Govt? Probably not... and how did the Fed Govt work before 1913, when the Income Tax was introduced, and the Fed Reserve was incorporated (they are NOT a part of government) around that time too, I think.

No new taxes

Please, no more taxes.

The middle of NY is a wasteland with no solition in sight, most businesses that could left for safer tax shelters in other states and cheap labor abroad.

NY already had the highest taxes in the union.

Surpassing that land of the free, California a few years ago.

Spitzer the blitzer should avoid concentrating on maintaining that record and answer for *allegedly using the state police as his own personal errand boys and goons.

@Ed

"Because that's how things are done over here. And people accuse Americans of being the ugly tourists..."

I was suggesting things could be done better over there. Ugly tourist? I kept my mouth shut and smiled - just needed to get it off my chest here today.

It's not the catalogs, it's the purchases...

that the governor wants to tax. Amazon 's attraction is discounts, no tax, and free shipping over $25.

I say sales taxes are inherently unfair and should be abolished. Not only that, if you are going to tax purchases, the tax should exclude everything except real luxuries (booze, fags, jewelry, gas guzzler cars).

Books are to be encouraged.

And there should be standardisation throughout all the states. (Don't hold your breath.)