I walked this morning.

OK, so it's quite evident that the Oyster system can do automatic refunds. Why do they leave it to us then to go on-line and claim refunds when trains run late? Couldn't the system detect late-running trains and then refund us automatically?

Oh, wait, no, it would bankrupt them.

This (and previous crashes) had been the National Identity Card.

"Errmm, We don't seem to have any data on who you are. Off to Gitmo!"

I am sure I wont be the only one to say what planet are you living on?

"After all this is a public service and not there to line someone's pockets!"

Please read that again and choose the correct (joke) icon next time you post something like that please

<<touch in and out at the beginning and end of their journeys>>

I'd love to be able to do that! Ain't that a bit like "Muffin the Mule"

Paris, obviously.

"... incorrect data tables being sent out by our contractor, Transys."

Transys = EDS + CTS

With EDS' major cockups and Cubic Transportation Systems worldwide failing ticketing systems that explains.

The update to patch recently cracked Oyster more and more likely to cause some more free travel ... and lack of revenue ... and future fare hikes.

Oyster's £ 1.2 bn initial cost was some well spent money.

Correct. Sadly a significant minority are. The introduction of Oystergates at our local station increased ticket sales by 16%. This would suggest you would pay 10/20% more to not have barriers ... and subsidise the freetards.

Or might you think that this run of 'issues' with Oyster is no coincidence?

I'd love to own one. Pay myself + shareholders lots of money , not spend any on development/maintainance - and then moan to govt that I cannot afford to run it and will have to shut down. Govt gives me a few billion pounds for free. Pull same stunt again next year.

These days its far far cheaper to fly. Says it all really.

""After all this is a public service and not there to line someone's pockets!""

Which trains have you been riding?

He's been on the Coke Line... you can see it on any tube map. It's the white line running around the financial district.

... and Westminster.

ANYONE WHO USES THE UNDERGROUND IS A BIT RETARDED REALLY AS THERE IS A PERFECTLY GOOD OVERGROUND AND BUS SYSTEM.

Value for money from public transport at this rate we won't need our cars!!!

Just wondering if your station has reduced the ticketprices accordingly now that you sell 16% more tickets? (obviously a train costs roughly the same to run if it has 1 passenger, 200 passengers (of which 150 have paid) or 200 passengers (of which 198 have paid, and 2 have cloned oyster cards).

Something to think about?

"ANYONE WHO USES THE UNDERGROUND IS A BIT RETARDED REALLY AS THERE IS A PERFECTLY GOOD OVERGROUND AND BUS SYSTEM."

Er....have you taken your pills today?

Try taking a bus from, for example, Stanmore to Canary Wharf and see how many hours it takes you. It's about fifty minutes on the Tube (except when the Jubilee doesn't have one of its signalling freakouts). Even, say, Putney to Sloane Square, which is a trip down the New Kings Road on the bus, is much quicker on the tube. No traffic, see?

For all the moaning, the Tube isn't too bad, especially when you consider bits of it are nearly 150 years old. It's not too expensive if you have a travelcard, though single journeys can be shocking.

he'd waive the congestion charge just to stop people taking free rides on the tube, then claw it back by taxing the hell out of small shops and hiking c-tax......oh wait, that was his plan to fund the Olympics overspend, danm i knew i heard it somewhere. really, apart from the Athletes I havent met many Londoners who think the transport system will cope, or that the legacy is worth the cost

I don't think for 1 sec it is the card dupers but even if it was if a shoddily duplicated card that returns invalid data crashed the system the blame lies not with the card duplicators but the input validation & verification code.

If I'd built the card system I would have made sure I'd fuzzed the nuts off it prior to deployment because one can guarantee that if I didn't then someone would be giving it a go down the ine.

The government pursues those who steal physical goods. Who pays for this? Everyone; it's a social contract between us all, something like a universal insurance policy.

Who's paying the price of chasing copyright violators? Where is the tit for tat? It's well known that corporations are very good at avoiding taxation, and that media companies in particular are experts in fudging the books to show losses instead of profits. Under the circumstances, It seems to me that holders of copyrights who benefit from government protection should be paying the tab; I suggest a percentage of gross revenue would be the best implementation.

Didn't used to need the underground.

There used to be perfectly good roads to drive on.

Then they clogged them up with bus lanes, nonsensical constrictions, widened pavements and so on, so that they could claim the resultant congestion was the fault of the car drivers, and could charge them extra money to be on the roads.

Mine's the one with the car keys, oh, and the one-way flight ticket out of UK in the pocket...

So presumably they're trying to patch the system to overcome some of the hacking problems, and at least two of the patches have been spectacular failures that needed to be backed out.

Or was it just a trial run of real software designed to disable cards that have been cloned, disguised as a system glitch? I know that mobile phone telcos used to (and maybe still do) disable phones that pop up in multiple places too close together in time to have been the same phone.

Just say no kids.