I am sick and tired of these updates and am seriously considering going back to IE

You are Philip K Dick and I claim my five pounds.

Paris because she looks like she's having difficulty remembering anything.

"I am sick and tired of these updates and am seriously considering going back to IE"

Yeah. Updating software to fix security holes is just stupid. Thank God Microsoft never patches their security holes.

Having to wait an extra 5 seconds while Firefox updates is such a tedious exercise.

Is clicking "check for updates", nodding a bit, waiting a couple of seconds as it pulls down the update, installs and restarts really that much effort? *shrug*

Complaining about having to do something simpler than making a cuppa is considered shameless whinging in some quarters... =)

Off you go then. You won't be missed.

Honestly, does this sort of statement not strike you as utterly retarded? 5 seconds downtime, and in return a secure browser, straight away. None of this wait-til-next-month-if-its-only-critical rubbish you might get with other browsers. Or better yet, maybe they could just ignore these problems, and keep you happy so as to not make you suffer the outrage of automated updates.

Perhaps you get utterly sick of windows update too? When you've found a fully featured and usable and totally bug free system that never requires any security updates ever, let us know.

You forgot your joke icon. Here, have mine.

AC, I strongly suspect this was humour, but you didn't use tags so I'll bite.

Firefox alerts you that it needs an update (a process that takes less than a minute and interrupts your browsing for even less, restarting automatically with all your session activity intact) as soon as a bug has been found and fixed. This has happened less than once a month on average since Firefox 3 was released (and probably true of earlier versions, but I can't be arsed checking).

IE alerts you that it needs an update (a process that takes an interminable length of time just to download in my experience, never mind installing it, along with whatever other fixes Windows needs at the time, and will almost always require a reboot of the computer never mind the browser, with all session data lost) on the second Tuesday of every month, regardless of when the problem was found and fixed. Or if you happen to be running in a Limited User account, it doesn't alert you at all.

I know which I prefer. I'm just sayin'

I was going to remark on your ridiculous statement, but I figure you're just trolling.

"I am sick and tired of these updates and am seriously considering going back to IE"

Yeah, okay. Good luck.

Let's see how long you last with that pile of crap.

Much as I love firefox, and it's ability to recover my session, I really wish it wouldn't crash all the time. Yes, IE crashes occasionally, but firefox does so much more regularly.

Any bugfix I see that fixes some kind of crashing issue is going straight on!

...we had Netscape. It was small, fast and reliable. Now we have Firefox, a bloated, slow, unreliable, insecure behemoth - or Opera, which is lovely for the ten minutes it runs between crashes and is written by one man and his (very talented) dog in a suburb of Trondheim.

I wish Google would hurry up with Chrome for Linux ...

"Much as I love firefox, and it's ability to recover my session, I really wish it wouldn't crash all the time. Yes, IE crashes occasionally, but firefox does so much more regularly.

Any bugfix I see that fixes some kind of crashing issue is going straight on!"

Odd that. I'm no fanboi but I've been using it every day for months on Linux and so far it hasn't misbehaved once. Although I certainly remember the way it did under Windows and Mac OSX.

Just tried to install 3.0.7 and FF crashed out. FF has become really unstable of late, I reckon it is crashing about once a week for me.

Come on Mozilla, get your finger out or I am moving to Opera (no way I will use IE).

Well I was wanting to see if there was as "Oh my god I've like got to update my browser it takes too long" comment and we have it, 1st comment I wonder why AC probably so none of his/her "mates" can point and laugh at them for being so stupid as to want to go back to IE..

Sure FF crashes and memory leaks but at least you can close and restart the session with details fairly intact (site dependant) and memory is flushed and returned. IE only recently got "tabbed" browsing and it looks stupid - I mean I don't want to see every time I open a new tab "about:tabbed" I know I can turn it off but I use IE so seldom I don't bother,

It might as well be called "About:I'm an idiot help me Bill the Mighty"

Oh and incase your wondering that last sentence was called Sarcasm..

I do love the fact firefox alerts me when I have updates for extensions / themes or the browser itself, with IE you have to kinda do that manually, grab that toolbar update etc now THAT is too much effort..

I do agree with the previous commenter about memory leak fixes are always good, it's the fact it has to work outside of the MS framework as much as possible only hooking in where it needs to, since IE is already Hooked in...

I don't mind the updates, but as I run as a limited user 99% of the time, it's a pain to have FF try and fail repeatedly to install the update until I switch to an admin account.

Obviously Mozilla devs expect everyone to run with admin rights all the time on their WinDoze box.

A little popup saying 'Update available' would be better than a constant cycle of auto download, install, fail.

Not sure about anyone else but mine is running way smoother, and hogging about half the memory it used to

The day Opera release their Source Code is the day I will think about trying their browser.

In the meantime, there's still Konqueror.

Because you can't get the update without running as an admin. I wanted 3.06, the malware was MSAntiSpyware2009 and it took me days to find the poxy drivers it installed.

If they don't want to write a Windows service -- and being cross-platform, I can buy that -- they should offer an updater that windows users could Run As to install the downloaded patch.

I've been wanting to get that off my chest for weeks.

If this is going to fix the problem that leaves the Firefox process running (albeit crashed) despite closing the browser down. This is the bane of my internet life at the moment as the only fix for it is to reboot.

Opera has the same problem.

Have they added the ability to disable that crap URL bar yet?

hmm any one using a lot of extensions by any chance?

(I mean what's the chance of 29 extensions having any problems working together seamlessly, right?).

...are any of them meant for a previous version of ff? (but you force them with mr tech toolbox because you cant live without them *cough* slogger *cough*).

Oh just me then :P

Or it could be that the Ubuntu tweaked version I use is just not quite as robust?

Or the Linux ff version is the poor relation at mozilla?

Could it be that the changes from 2 to 3 were very large and it will take until 3.5 for things to bed down completely?

All of the above?

Fuck it, if ff crashes I am back up in 10 seconds with all tabs restored, I can live with that small hit for all the extra functionality *cough* Boox *cough*.

And FF3.5 is due shortly :)

>>Feh. Lack of exploits in the wild may not be a good reason to refuse an upgrade,

#Yeah but ff2 is now unsupported so the move to 3 is now imperative from a security point of view.

>> but an intrusive user interface that can't easily be disabled,

# Hmm not sure what you mean ff2 and ff3 ui aren't all that different and you can use another theme easily enough... e.g. Aero Silver Fox 3.0.2 looks good on ubuntu and windows.

>> and a loopy new bookmark-storage system

# I agree that this is a big change but I think the pain is worth it long term.

>> that can't be run through diff (or decrapified with a shell script, sed, and some basic regular expressions), still are.

# you can still import and export HTML so its not that difficult to ExportHTML > clean up > ImportHTML

>> Haven't they figured out yet that the ability to control your own UI actually matters to some people?

# you still have control over the chrome.

>>Almost as bad as the new extra-shiny UI that Microsoft has taken up inflicting on its poor users..

#Don't overstate your case. It undermines credibility.

Note: If you are worried about the address bar an extension can revert it back to ff2 behaviour.

I would say that although I was initially sceptical, the new lookup behaviour of the address bar is very good once you get used to it.

It enables you to quickly search your bookmarks and your history - very very cool.

To be honest if your suffering lots of crashes in F.F I'd check out your own kit.

I have had F.F running on my systems for so long now I cant remeber the last time it crashed.

And I have it running with extentions (generally 4 or more) on XP, OSX and Ubuntu which all sync with one another.

I.E has improved over the years but after the constant arse raping it gave me of the earily years I'm simply never going to go back to it.

Liked Opera and I did use it before F.F turned up and really nothing bad to say about it, just that I prefere F.F and all the optional goodies.

*\. oh no!! I'm turning into a F.F fanboi - is there a cure?!

You're kidding, right?

I have used FF for years under XP SP2 on a machine always as admin. I have never had one of these malware infestations? Where the hell did yu d/l your latest FF from? Somewhere with a .ru extension on the domain?

As for crashes, I can honestly say that over the years, the number of times FF has crashed and required a restart for me could be counted on one, maybe two hands, with a finger or two left over.

As far as speed goes, I have never had an issue here.

I run FF with No Script, ABP, Noref and Ghostery - all is well.

"Off you go then. You won't be missed."

What an *utterly* fanboying thing to say. Talk about Firefox being a browser for a cliquey bunch of nerds. It seems you have to 'leave' some kind of social network when you simply stop using it, and the nerdy clique dislike you for doing so.

Shame there's no icon of Gary Glitter with the slogan "Leeeeader! You wanna be in my gang!"

"I am sick and tired of these updates and am seriously considering going back to IE"

Ah ah, good luck then.

Be informed, when Windows tells you that 149 updates need to be applied, at boot time, making booting a more than 1 hour process, that it's reinstall time.

Once you'll have wasted many hours waiting for windows to boot, and 3-5 hours in reinstalling your OS + drivers and apps + restoring all of your data (supposing you backed them up), you'll cease rapidly to be "sick and tired" of the FF updates.

PH icon, what else ?

>>...That import/export stuff in FF3 doesn't seem to work well.

Yeah the workaround is to: close FF > export to html(overwrite bookmarks.html) > clean up bookmarks.html

rm bookmarkbackups > rm places.sqlite > restart ff (will auto import bookmarks.html).

All your other points :)

I was in the same place you are - very comfortable with FF2 and seeing a lot of change in FF3 that would make me have to change some very ingrained usage habits.

But Bookmarks in FF2 were crap.

You yourself had to install 5 addins to make-up for this.

So mozilla did the right thing fixing it, their solution, involving a sql db, was a bit of a surprise but it works.

FF2 is going to die and over time it will be more and more insecure and vulnerable.

I decided that I would give the developers the benefit of the doubt and give FF3 a fair chance.

To get the most out of FF3 I did need to change some things - setting history from 0 days to 90 days was a bit weird but when you see where they are coming from (history treated as just temporary bookmarks) it makes sense.

Now I can search any site I have visited in the last 90 days and most visited sites are top of the list.

There are still a few rough edges but hopefully FF3.5 will sort most of them out.

>>Yes, some of the add ons are for the previous version; I can't remove these as FF won't let me. This is yet another issue, along with the memory and CPU hogging

Sounds like profile problems, try creating a clean one and re-adding extensions 1 at a time.

Notes:

firefox -ProfileManager

firefox -safe-mode

To transfer your information between profiles you need to copy these files:

signons3.txt

key3.db

places.sqlite

cert8.db

cert_override.txt

I know that AC - his name is Jack and I believe his last name is A**.