back to article FAST fingers another Cardiff biz over software compliance

Trading Standards officers and the Federation Against Software Theft (FAST) used new copyright powers earlier this week to probe a business in Cardiff to check its software licensing. The team investigated the unnamed firm on Tuesday, according to FAST. The organisation wrote to 200 businesses in Cardiff in July 2008 warning …

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  1. Christoph

    Trading Standards in bed with FAST?

    Since when did FAST have a statutory right of entry to make random searches? WTF does Trading Standards think they are playing at?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I wasn't aware

    that FAST had any powers whatsoever.

  3. Gary Owen
    Linux

    help educate ‘Corporate UK'

    By not using the overpriced MS shite. Who in their right minds would use software that carries the possibility of the Feds banging on your door to see if your adhering to their licensing

    FAST - so many apt solutions to that acronym.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Linux

    Once again

    The bullying scum reinforce the message: using proprietary software is dangerous.

    C'mon, folks, if you're too busy getting on with running your business to waste time checking if you're paying enough for substandard systems, migrate to Free Software so you can laugh at FAST when they send the boys round.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Guilty until proven Innocent?

    "Changes to the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act made in April 2007 gave Trading Standards officers the power to enter premises and seize goods and documents they believe to be involved in copyright infringement."

    Isn't there a big difference between that and

    "Trading Standards could cold-call on them to inspect their software licences for compliance."

    Surely TC have have some "proof" or "evidence" that these companies are involved in copyright infringement. Turning up on the doorstep and saying "WE want to see your licences NOW or we're seizing your goods and documents" sounds something that Stalin would be proud of.

    Oh, of course, its IP Crime and everyone is automatically guilty automatically and no doubt if you can't find that paperwork because Oracle or MS screwed up they seize your server and shut your business down and when, months later they get off their fat arses and review things and it turns out that you were totally legal they'll issue some pathetic apology and leave you in the gutter.

    How can TC basically accuse people of being criminals with NO proof?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Another reason not to be based in UK

    Well there's another reason not to be based in the UK. At any time you could face an inspection of your software licenses, which costs £BIG disruption, and you need to keep someone responsible for the licenses available to ensure you can prove your compliance. Note that proof of prior suspicion is not needed.

    So this is yet another reason not to base your business in the UK.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    wot?

    So when did Trading Standards become Microsoft's bitch? I must have missed that memo.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And the evidence was...?

    I should hope the evidence Trading Standards were acting upon was something more concrete than a "We think so and so is using unlicensed software" - like actual proof. Anyone cold-calling my employers and demanding to see software licenses would be politely told to go forth and multiply, learn some manners and come back once they knew how to use those manners properly.

    Perhaps one of El Reg's legal eagles can confirm what rights of entry FAST have and what proof Trading Standards need before they can legally act.

  9. JonP
    Joke

    Software Theft

    Software Theft?! Surely Federation Against Insufficient Licensing would be more appropriate...

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cardiff central (i.e. Liberal Democrat?)

    Presumably FAST will be careful not to request raids in his David Lammy's Tottenham constituency, it would look bad if business in Tottenham had to waste lots of money in these difficult times proving they are NOT violating copyright.

    That's the problem of enforcement driven by private companies with political interests. Were the raids by any change in the Cardiff *central* constituency, which is the one not controlled by Labour?

    Cardiff Central Jenny Willott LD

    Cardiff North Julie Morgan LAB

    Cardiff South & Penarth Alun Michael LAB

    Cardiff West Kevin Brennan LAB

    Then there's the information revealed during the raid. If FAST sees that the client is running Linux, they represent Microsoft and Microsoft is a competitor of Linux. Effectively trade secrets have been revealed to Microsoft by getting FASTs assistance in the raid.

    Likewise the cases where there is no evidence of non-compliance yet FAST claim otherwise. (FAST claims that possession of the software is not enough, you need to prove you bought it, i.e. the receipts and the contracts). i.e. they shift the burden of proof onto the business in their argument.

    There argument is probably spurious, but you would be exposing business who have legal software but not to FASTs definition, to lawsuits from FAST.

  11. Sillyfellow
    Stop

    search warrant please.

    if any 3rd party wishes to enter our place of work to 'inspect' anything, they will either have been invited to do so, or will be required to produce an actual search warrant issued by a judge.

    no search warrant, no entry. thank you. this is the law and all these other idiotic 'regulations' cannot change that. ask your lawyer.

    for these 'investigators' this is all about attempting to make money for themselves, off the back of (thinking they can enforce) the law. and nothing else.

    if they want to enforce the law, they better make double sure they're following it to the letter. i'll bet they're not.

  12. Tom

    Microsoft are promoting Linux?

    “help educate ‘Corporate UK’ as part of our remit to aid businesses in getting the maximum cost effectiveness out their software.”

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Free/OpenSource Software...

    is the best solution in the current economic climate.

    If a business cannot afford to pay for software licences then it should close shop, or, use Free/Open Source Software. There's plenty of it out there now that is good enough for most businesses. Good enough is all you need, instead of more than good enough, which if your paying for, is wasteful.

    Here's a current related story for the nay sayers:

    http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu.ars

  14. John
    Thumb Up

    Excellent...

    Stories like this just make it easier to suggest people use OSS rather than feed into Microsoft coffers and risk getting it wrong when they get raided.

  15. Steve B

    FAST now in with MS?

    When I had dealings with FAST, they were the ones who told me to bin everything from the MS backed BSA without response. They visited us after putting the frighteners on the FD but once I had a chat and confirmed I knew what I was doing, FAST themselves seemed more interested in getting people to sign up as members, which we couldn't afford to do, so I assume not enough did.

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