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Sick of that crap office laptop? IBM can help You*

xjy

One born every second 

Why should IBM miss out on the friendly employers' "use it for five years and then we'll let you buy it for the price of a dozen similar machines at Morgan's - if they have any stuff that old..." scam?

Not only have they shown great restraint, they are also offering a relatively durable machine from a third party (heh) company.

God bless them and their hearts of gold.

(Paris cos she has hair of gold and also seems relatively durable...)

Anonymous Coward

Fairly standard.... 

Coat

...to be screwed by an Empoyee Purchase scheme. A certain, declining, mobile phone brand offers its employees old phones at above market rates (or used to, anyway, now you can't buy much except crap DECT phones as they were preparing to separate that side of the business). The "added value" comes from the phones not being tied to any network and comes with the complete set of the wonderful software.

Mines the one stuffed full of stolen office supplies as the perks are worth jack....

Anonymous Coward

Whats the point? 

I never understoond the point of these deals?

Whilst working as EDS and Capgemini we were offered computers at significantly discounted prices. These prices invariably would be higher priced and poorly specification comapred to the comprable product range items available off the high street (even greater savings available on line).

Have they not heard of price comparison reports, the internet or even Which Magazines. Is it that the people drawing up these schemes are prices checking, or do they use a notional SRP/RRP that the machines are actually never sold at!?

This scheme of buying machines off the company for you to work on for the companies benefits seesm even more bizzare.

Parax

Let me get this straight.. 

I lease the machine for two years then I buy a two year old 'second hand' machine at market value?

SO basically I have to lease my own work machine and find a buyer myself if I want biannual upgrades... doesn't sound like a very good deal to me....

I would have expected IBM to buy a machine and allow replacement at any time I wish to pay market value for the box.

Foxtrot Oscar.

Anonymous Coward

Its to identify the stupid 

Happy

Any employee taking part in this scheme is identified and then 'let go' as being too stupid to work here. I know, thus anonymous.

Anonymous Coward

AAA Looking for IBMers 

Joke

Since you would be happy to pay to work... then just work for free for me! I need to paint my kitchen walls this weekend!

Anonymous Coward

Utter Rubbish 

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It does not make sense paying for your own machine in IBM. The norm is you get a laptop which you take at home or travel with you. Why would you pay for something that you get for free is beyond me. The Laptop gets fixed if you have a h/w fault and image reloaded if you need to refresh. After 3 years you get it swapped with a new one. If you are smart enough you can keep the old machine after the 3 years and collect the new machine. You are not obliged to "give back immediately" the Laptoip , but IBM is obliged to give you a new laptop to keep you working in an optimal manner. Your department gets charged for the old laptop at the nominal value (by that time it is £0). The old laptop ends at home.

Anonymous Coward

I would build my own 

ARM based processor based machine, and call it the EyeBMSuckMyBigHairyBalls Laptop, then I would rent it to IBM.

I may also get TShirts Printed Up and give them to fellow colleagues or Coca Cola kid esque.

Anonymous Coward

In capitalist IBM 

In capitalist IBM, you pay to work there!

Steven Jones

twisted prose, twisted mind 

Forget for now the ethics of this "initiative", just try and put yourself into the mindset of the individual (or was it a committee?) that drafted the following atrocious garbage masquerading as a sentence

"If you undergo a Life Event during the course of the You* scheme year, this will not enable you to change your election during the payment term providing you remain eligible for the You* scheme."

Presumably capitalising "life event" has some lent it some very special, precise and, very probably, ominous meaning. I can see is that the use of plain English is clearly not in the job description of the drafter(s) of that particular travesty of the language. The sad thought is that the mind twisted enough to produce this probably carries the same approach into setting employment policies.

John Latham

Makes complete sense 

So, you become an IBM drone and are forced to work on a shitty "free" laptop, but have the option of trading up to something decent. Like paying an increment on the company car scheme to get a better model.

Unfortunately, this ignores the best way to work on a decent laptop, which is to leave IBM.

This comment was brought to you by the model designation X301, and the letters e-x-I-B-M.

David Wiernicki

"You* flexible rewards scheme" 

Sounds a bit more like a "**** you flexible rewards scheme" to me...

MGJ

All Changes With Bare Metal Virtualisation 

This deal and it's value depends on what you are allowed to do with the laptop at work and at home. If you can use it as if it is your own, install software, play games, interact, then you might well shell out to have only a single device rather than a work laptop and a home one. I certainly used to play games on my old Omnibook 600 when I worked for a certain consultancy in 2001. As long as you didn't introduce a virus you were OK.

Very different in the public sector at the moment, but bare metal virtualisation changes that; you could have one device with a work VM, a personal VM etc running on the bare metal hypervisor. The work stuff is just an image, and it doesn't matter what the hardware is so no extra costs and everyone can choose a device that suits them.

John Lettice

Re: All Changes With Bare Metal Virtualisation 

(Written by Reg staff)

Can I use my You* workstation for a home-based business?

"No." (it says here) "You agree to use the You* workstation as your primary IBM workstation for 2 years with only incidental personal use."

Actually, this and other limitations will be to do with the loves avoiding the machines being taxed as a benefit in kind. So no savage discounts, no serious home use, no flexibility. Which is what makes it a crap deal, of course.

N

Duh 

I mean, what next, surely thats IBMs job to provide the relevant kit for their employees?

I mean decision time, hmm, do I sign up to this or accidentally drop my crappy old laptop down the stairs & if it survived that, stick it behind the rear wheel of your car & reverse over it, thats fairly hard to fix.

I bet they make staff sign for bic biros from the stationery cupboard as well?

Michael Jarve

All too familiar... 

This is not too far from the scheme used by my former employer. You could use the company provided machine (which, as of last year, was a 1.13GHz Pentium !!! Dell Optiplex, with a mighty 20GB HDD and Almost 256MB of RAM), or you could bring in your own system. The caveat was, the system could leave with you at any time, but the hard drive had to remain.

Cute.

Anonymous Coward

I did alright 

Happy

I was given a Lenovo T60p 2 years ago, which was fine but a bit lardy. So then I moved to a new position which requires frequent international travel (+/-2 weeks per month) and on my request they gave me an X61 with which I am very happy thank you very much.

On the other hand, when I started at IBM we joined in a program called the Foundation, with all mixed disciplines in the same starters group. I went into software development, and my mate went into Sales. Bearing in mind a developer needs power not portability, and a sales guy needs portability & looks but couldn't care less about horsepower...

Came the day when we got our laptops and oh yes, he got the 770X (about 3kg, most powerful machine made by IBM and frequently used as shipping ballast), and I got an X20 (thin, light and utterly useless for anything resembling a development environment).

And no, we weren't allowed to swap. Company principle, dont'cha know.

So I can testify things have got a LOOOOOOT better in the last few years.

Anon because people get jealous of an X61

Anonymous Coward

Normal 

Pirate

IBMers are used to being abused and treated like fairly stupid cattle. Nothing to see here, move along.

AC because I'm waiting to be "resourced" in favor of cheaper cattle.

Anonymous Coward

X61 

Boffin

IBMs customers not asking the real Q, if the IBM staff are working at sub capacity due to poor kit, then are they allowed a discount?

Workman and tools type argument?

Ian Michael Gumby

@Utter Rubbish... 

Yes, the *nominal* refresh rate is 3 years. Only at the end of 3 years, try getting a refreshed machine. Usually it takes another year or 2 for you to get one.

The interesting thing is that IBM does offer some kit to their employees and shareholders below street price. The price and the deal are usually timed to help the hardware division out by buying unsold kit and propping up their numbers.

You can get decent kit, but you have to be careful to watch the details of the deal. CPU speeds, disk size, etc ...

Why would an employee want to buy a laptop when they can wait for a free one? Simple. If they're planning on leaving, its a good deal and of course, they can load it up with a lot of goodies before they leave.

Anonymous Coward

Slow take up. 

Black Helicopters

As far as I can tell, the scheme has about no takers at all so far.

The situation isn't as bad as it appears though. Set aside this hairbrained scheme, and you find a shiny new Lenovo on my desk, and while it has to last 4 years, a "cascaded" machine wouldn't. I've only ever seen cascaded machines given to short term employees, such as interns.

Oh, and my monitor is HUGE!

Anonymous Coward

"Life Events" 

Paris Hilton

I recently suffered a "Life Event" at the hands of Indian Business Manpower but before I left I did manage to use my employee discount to score a refurbished killer T series laptop from IBM for one fifth what Lenovo would have charged me new even with my employee discount. So I guess YMMV. I chalk it up as my severance pay since they gave me no notice and no severance pay. It seems that IBM is determined to reduce the HR costs above all else so I feel sorry for Sun employees if IBM buys Sun. The merger will likely be similar to the Saturday Night Massacre when Honeywell bought GE's mainframe business in 1970. On the other hand it may be the only way Sun can survive considering how much red ink they've been bleeding lately. So the technology may survive but the employees likely will not much like how HP got rid of the PA-RISC design team when they outsourced Itanic to Intel. One has to wonder how long it will be before we start to demand these companies be socially responsible and also have a return to careers as opposed to six month "jobs."

Paris just because she's rich, hot, and I could use a six figure job cleaning her flat.

Anonymous Coward

Nothing new 

A couple of decades ago during one of my periods at IBM, the talk was that everyone would have to buy their own computer and appropriate software. At the time you'd get a grant of (does calculation from foreign to GBP) about GBP1750 to do this.

Thankfully it never got off the ground, although at around that time they did throw some sub-contractors off their desks and tell them to work at home (got them some needed desks back etc.)

Anonymous Coward

Surely you get the sack if you don't take up the offer 

Gates Halo

After reading about what lurks on shared keyboards, I'm pretty happy to pay for the privilege of using my own laptop. Though, I suppose it is easier to get rid of me, as there is a nice new laptop waiting for my replacement. My brother at MS in Seattle, took a macbook to work everyday - though he said the procurement process was a little trickier sourcing it - questions were asked - but it was said to be in the aid of research - he basically hated Visa.

Rick Giles

I hope the company I contract for doesn't get wind of this... 

Joke

That will ruin my fun.

[Ring...Ring] <- repeat about 60 times

"Hullo?"

"Is this Support?"

"Possibly."

"There is something wrong with my computer."

"We don't fix employees home machines."

"No, it is the one I have at work."

"You have a home machine connected to the network?"

"No, no. It is my work computer."

"Oh, you mean you have a problem with one of the companies PCs."

"Yes, that is what I said. MY computer."

"No it is the companies. We just let you use it..."

I would have to change my whole offense if we let the great unwashed by the company approved kit.

Anonymous Coward

So what... 

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Difficult decision but I've decided to go for the deal. I've got an 'ok' laptop at the moment, but I'm a sucker for shiny tech things... so for a few extra quid a month I get to use a nicer laptop, Im happy... and it will be running windows7+linux in my other partitions. ;)

I guess it will separate the ones who just use a laptop to do their work, and those who enjoy technology and want something new to play with.

A geek.

Argus Tuft

In Mother Russia 

the laptop owns you...