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$300 is too high, unless you're Apple and people expect it to be that high. I like the idea of a "smartwatch" (but not the name), and I wouldn't pay for one that expensive.

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Yeah, it strikes me as about $200 too high. Then again there are probably a few people with more dollars than sense who will be ready, willing and able to drop $300 on an accessory to their $700 phone.

Just one question, will the watch work with phones that are cheaper than it is?

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Meh

How much!

That much for a dated looking LCD watch that has limited functionality? Have to charge it everyday? Now that is practical easpecially considering my watch never needs a battery and never needs charging.

I think that it's only use is to save you looking a fool holding a 7" screen phone to your ear shouting "Hello, HELLOOOOOO..."

Those foolish enough to buy them wil find they end up in some bottom draw, forgotten.

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"Just one question, will the watch work with phones that are cheaper than it is?"

No - only Samsung stuff. And only Samsung stuff that's on Android 4.3.

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>"Just one question, will the watch work with phones that are cheaper than it is?"

>No - only Samsung stuff. And only Samsung stuff that's on Android 4.3.

The Samsung Note devices have had Bluetooth LE hardware before it was supported by Android.

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I agree, though it's still too high for Apple - they don't get a free pass. In particular, I think it's good for Samsung to make this move first - the media can't claim $300 is too high, and then turn around and ignore the issue when Apple release a $600 watch.

And whilst it is too high for me (and there look to be cheaper alternatives already), I think it's worth noting that new technology always starts high. So sales won't be as high, but they'll be making profits off the early adopters. Later on, price will fall, sales will increase.

(Hardly anyone bought the first iphone either, instead there was growth over the years, despite what the Apple history revisionists claim.)

Another stumbling block for me is only working with some of the Galaxy phones. Whilst not a problem for Samsung (I expect an Apple watch will only work with iphones, a smaller market than the number of Galaxies out there), I'd like something that at least works with any Android phone. I hope the Google watch rumours turn out to be true - Google will likely make it work for all Android devices, and give us a price without trying to make a profit.

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A whole DAY of battery life, I'd call that a dumb watch

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To be fair, that's not bad considering how much room is available for the battery. The screen's smaller, the CPU not as fast but everything else is running at about the same clip on a much smaller tank.

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Just what I wanted

I use the clock on my phone to tell the time, but my new Nexus is too large to pull out of my pocket when I'm running for the bus.

A remote desktop login for my phone which shows the lock screen with the time would be very useful mounted on my wrist.

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Re: Just what I wanted

I honestly cant decide if that's a joke or not....

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Re: "Oatmeal Beige," and "Rose Gold"

No champagne then?

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Re: "Oatmeal Beige," and "Rose Gold"

They're trying to appeal to the women who's wrist it's too big to fit on ...

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Re: "Oatmeal Beige," and "Rose Gold"

You can't use the Champagne word! It's "Fizzy White Wine Color"

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Battery lasts a day?!

When I was 8 or 9, so almost 40 years ago, my dad bought me one of the first quartz LED digital watches, the one with the chunky silver case/bracelet and red LEDs that only lit up when you pressed the button on the side as the battery would last 5 minutes if the display was on all the time.

Sure, the battery life was rubbish, but it was fantastically high tech (for the time) and we all knew back then that digital watches (even if just the quartz mechanism) would be the future of timekeeping.

So here we are, 40 years later, and we're going through the next phase of watch development, and just like last time, we're back to rubbish battery life which basically reduces these Smart Watches to novelty items.

Are smart watches a revolution in timekeeping, or just a passing fad? Personally I can't see them being anything but the latter, although maybe, just maybe, in another 5 or 10 years with much better batteries and newer, better, display materials - not to mention, much classier designs that any normal person wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen wearing - it may be possible to conceive of having one of these on my wrist.

But then again, probably not, I just don't see the point...

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Re: Battery lasts a day?!

What's the problem? Just another device that needs to be put to the charger at the plugfest every evening.

One or two company phones, private phone, tablet, and the missus might have one or another device, as well - one more watch hardly counts...

Also proud owners of "automatic" watches, already know the pleasure of putting them in the rewinder. That didn't stop them from buying and wearing such watches.

The question is rather, how is the usability? Given the size of the screen, I think we can safely forget about any on-screen keyboard text editing, book reading or similar. It might work well as a videophone and might show some tweets, mails or SMS, though. Kind of like an extended notification area.

I am looking forward to reading El Reg's product review. Hopefully they can get their hands on one soon!

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Re: Battery lasts a day?!

The problem is, you may not want to have to take your watch off every night to charge it. Especially since one of the few useful things I can think of for a "smart watch" to do is monitor your sleep, i.e. how much you're tossing and turning, changes in your pulse rate, etc.

Maybe the phone in your pocket can wirelessly charge the watch on your wrist, finally a killer app for wireless charging :)

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@ automatic watches

I've had a Seiko Kinetic Autorelay for close to ten years now, and I've never felt the need to "charge" it. It will continue to show time for two days if you leave it perfectly still, and it will keep time, but not move the hands, for two more years. When you move it after more than two days, the hands will move automatically to the correct hour. My model does not keep the day of month synchronised, but I hear that newer models do. These watches do cost as much as this new Samsung one, and you can find even more expensive models if you have cash to burn. All in all, I like mine very much.

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Re: Battery lasts a day?!

In 1977 I was bought one of the first Casio LCD phones, stainless steel bracelet and case didn't have a light button but it still works today. When after 4 years I went back to a watch with hands I found I couldn't tell the time.

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Re: Battery lasts a day?!

Oh dear I just wrote almost the same anecdote below. My first watch was an Ingersol.

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Re: Battery lasts a day?!

Apples and pears - your Seiko Kinetic hardly does 'the same' does it?

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"of the few useful things I can think of for a "smart watch" to do is monitor your sleep, i.e. how much you're tossing"

Oi! Most of us would rather keep that information to ourselves, thanks very much.

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Re: Battery lasts a day?!

Pretty sure they said that about mobile phones back in the late 80's. As you say, make it out of some hi-tech material (that graphine is looking good) and a better battery life and you'll be wearing one in the next 5-10 years.

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@ apples and pears

True, but then I don't do facebook and whatnot, but I do want to see what time it is. Also, this was in response to the automatic watch recharging remark, trying to show that you do not need to actually do anything to recharge this watch...

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Re: Battery lasts a day?!

I'd be tossing and turning worrying about breaking a $299 watch by rolling onto it.

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Re: Jaw Cracking Yawn

Quote: "Anyway, most people permanently have their phones out, or on the table in front of them."

I have worked for a few bosses (I had 9 line managers in 3 years in one of my previous job) which would throw a toddler style tantrum if you do that in a meeting. When el hefe is displaying in front of the subordinates you should sit, listen and demonstrate subordination ya know.

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Short battery life.

Won't work with the phone that I own.

Costs too much for what it provides.

Display almost certainly invisible in bright sunlight.

In these modern ecologically aware times shouldn't we strive to use more environmentally friendly tech?

Maybe someone could invent a timekeeping mechanism that worked mechanically.

I know this is a bit fanciful, but some bright researcher might be able to find a way to store potential energy, and gradually release it to drive some sort of mechanical display that shows the time of day.

There would have to be a way to recharge the potential energy, of course,

Perhaps brisk repetitive movement would be suitably familiar.

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On that note, well, not the last one but the previous one: How much energy does a wound watch spring store, compared to a watch battery ? I Googled a bit, with no luck.

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More convenient

A writs watch was more convenient than a pocket watch because it was easier to tell the time.

A smart watch is more convenient than a smart phone because ... ?

If you want a convenient way to tell the time, get a watch.

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Indeed.

Despite the large amount of down votes I will get for saying this (and have gotten in the past,) all this fawning over watches is just the reg readership showing its age.

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I jumped on the Pebble bandwagon and have been wearing mine (on a NATO strap) for the past few weeks.

The novelty is starting to wear off a little already, but when I take it off to wear one of my automatic watches, I do miss having notifications appear on my wrist. It's something you very quickly get used to.

Anyway, the Gear is not for me. The Pebble is half the price, the battery lasts seven times as long and it works with iPhones or Android phones. Alright it doesn't take photos or have voice control, but it has similar core features.

Meh.

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As a Pebble user for the last six months, I'm completely converted to the concept of a smart watch. But the Gear feels like it's over-reaching what can be done with current technology. One of the great decisions by Pebble was to use a display which gives long battery life.

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So many choices...

Hmmm, should I get one in "Rose Gold" Or "Don' t buy this Lemon"

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Personally I think Samsung have missed the point completely.

(except for Apple users) no-one will want to buy a watch that requires that they use a specific brand or model of phone.

e-ink is clearly the way to go with smart watches, though I must say the qualcomm mirasol display looks pretty nice.

My requirements for a smart watch are small -

* waterproof (not just splash proof or water resistant)

* visible in strong sunlight (though not necessarily direct sunlight)

* able to work as a watch when it loses connectivity with the paired phone - because I don't have my smartphone within 10 metres of me 24/7

* works with most / all Android phones and if you want to increase market share - iOS too.

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One more thing to turn off in the cinema...

Just sayin'.

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Haahhahahahaha!

This is what they've been working on in not-so-secret? A watch that has to be tethered to one of only three (currently) devices, lasts a day according to Samsung so probably half a day at best in practice and they want $299 for it. Good job there Samsung. At least it looks like your other products by being cheap, plastic and not going to win any design awards.

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Re: Haahhahahahaha!

Give them *some* credit... they don't have the Apple prototypes to blatantly copy from any more!

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The Timex of smart watches

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wtfffff

My F-91W battery has lasted 8 years so far. Only stopped wearing it cos the strap broke. The watch itself is still fine. Just replaced it with the model with the better backlight. 9 quid but I bet the battery on the old 91W is still going strong when the strap breaks on this bugger.

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Self respect = zero? I'm not saying you need to spend £1000 to get a watch to tell the time but some people take it to the other extreme.

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You tosspot. What's the price of someones watch got to do with self respect?

Anyway, the Casio F-91W is an icon! Classic design and extremely functional IMO. I own an automatic omega, and it's heavy, innaccurate and a liability. The Casio kicks it's backside in every single aspect apart from bling factor.

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.. is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet ..

.. whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

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I really don't see the point of these....

...so I predict they will be a great success

To old these days to give a shit about shinytoys(TM)

My watch keeps time

My phone makes phone calls

And my computers compute.

Jack of all trades and all that.

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So utterly pointless

(Edit: yes I realise my anecdote is almost the same as AC's above - I guess the same thought occurred to us both)

I was bought my first digital watch over 30 years ago as a kid. It was an Ingersol with a black face on it and it was really cool. You had to push the button to light up the LED display and the numbers appeared. Unfortunately the battery life was so awful that it died in a few days.

Now here we are 30 years on and history is repeating all over again. A watch that needs a second hand to turn its display on to tell the time is not smart, it's dumb. A watch that needs charging every day or two is not smart, it's dumb.

And in this case a watch that *only* works with an extremely limited number of phones / tablets from the same manufacturer is not smart, it's dumb.

I really do not understand what purpose these watches serve in their current form. These watches need an always-on display and a battery life which lasts at least a week and preferably a whole month. If they used e-ink or mirasol for their displays, bluetooth 4.0 low power and constrained the functionality they offered to the core and offset CPU intensive stuff to a nearby phone they could probably achieve it too.

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I have just started a Kickstarter project for a "Dumb Term Watch"

;-)

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I was watching the Galaxy Gear because I was interested in buying one. But at the price of another phone with restricted compatibility and battery life that makes it unfit for purpose I'll pass.

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Wrist watches - I've heard of them

The watch that I am currently wearing is a Longines "Professional" purchased in 1942 by my father for £5 in Cairo (admittedly quite a lot of money back then). He bought it as being better than the standard RAF aircrew Observer's (Navigator/Bomb-Aimer) watch.

So far in 71 years it has been cleaned 5 times, has had a new crystal and a number of new straps. The radium luminescence is now very weak so it only glows very faintly.. Usually I remember to wind it up, and so, generally, it is wrong by less than a minute/month. Apparently it is now worth ~£1,000.00.

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Re: Wrist watches - I've heard of them

So?? That has no more relevance than it mentions the word watch.

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Re: Wrist watches - I've heard of them

>So?? That has no more relevance than it mentions the word watch.

So let's give Tim99 the benefit of the doubt and assume that he was raising the idea of longevity; the idea of a item being useful over decades or centuries is pleasing when many of the gizmos around us today might last no more than five years.

Pens, cigarette lighters, watches... it is possible to buy a brand new version of each of these things today and find them almost identical to models made fifty years ago. (Though of course you're more likely to come away with a Biro, a Bic or a Casio. )

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