Oracle sued over $33,000 bill for SaaS: STRIPPERS as a SERVICE

@ Dabbb

I actually have an Oracle UK (England) Corporate Amex card, and it is tied to my personal bank account in as far as it's my responsibility to pay the balance - if my expenses aren't approved/paid, then I personally have to pay whatever is left.

Quite why someone would think putting many thousands of dollars on a work card was a good idea, I'm not sure, which is why I think there must be more to this - ie. alleged fraud perhaps?

When I worked for them, individual employees issued US Government credit cards were personally responsible to repay the full amount when due. This was a definite incentive to file timely travel and per diem claims. Failure to pay on time was made known to the employer, however and could result in disciplinary action, as could use for any purpose not related to official travel. I do not think there would have been any chance of the government covering employee charges for anything.

There also were credit cards issued to certain managers for use in small acquisitions, with credit limits dependent on the manager's rank. The government would have been on the hook for these, but allowable expenditures required extensive documentation ahead of time. I can imagine unauthorized use of such an account winding up in court, probably after the responsible manager's demotion or dismissal.

Re: Usually 'Joint and Several'

The club accepted the card in good faith, they trusted the American Express and Oracle names on the card.

There is no question that the card was genuine and the holder was entitled to it.

Why is the store liable for Oracle's internal expenses policy?

If I buy a big screen TV and my wife says no - I can't just refuse to pay Best Buy because the expense wasn't authorised.

Re: This does not surprise me

AVN shared the building for many years and offered discounts to CES goers....

...the very definition of synergy :-)

Re: This does not surprise me

I'm assuming it wasn't this ANV - http://www.avn.co.uk/ you are referring to.

Fifteen minutes there and back - 30 minutes a day, Monday to Friday - 2 hours and 30 minutes a week.

Just what the Doctor ordered...

http://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/everyone/guidelines/adults.html

Expenses

Yeah, yeah, the wife tracks the bank statements. But really, she's not going to quiz you about a $500 lunchtime cash withdrawal?

A number of years ago I was running training class for a major US manufacturer at their office in Philadelphia. Like most companies, they wouldn't approve of their employees frequenting the sort of dancing establishment where attractive young ladies managed to suffer wardrobe malfunctions every few minutes. But this being Philadelphia a city which prides itself on having invented the lap dance, the local tourist information brochure (given to every student in the training centre) carried advertisements for some of the local establishments, some offering discount to genuine visitor (bring brochure and hotel key for free admittance). Well the good thing about one of these establishments was that since they severed food their receipt said it was a restaurant. This then leaves your boss in a difficult position. To know that these restaurant bills were from a strip club, he'd have to admit to knowing the strip club :-)

Some of us do not have wives and are free to make withdrawals and deposits where we wish.

I would far prefer to use cash and have a finite limit rather than give my CC card details to these people.

Having said that, the last time I went into a place like that it was in London. The girl I was with was looking at strippers, I had my back to them talking to a like minded couple. When asked why I was not watching by my girly. I simply said bring on their mothers as i prefer my meat mature.

I did however pay for girly to have a private dance. She enjoyed ithe experience even if I didn't. One of the benefits of having a bisexual and very open minded girlfriend ;)

Beer was cheap enough and it was a pound per person for each girl dancing, not thousands of dollars.

The atm because tucking a card in the panties isn't the same, although it raises the need for a bra with a swipe sensor on it or even a nfc (bringing a whole new meaning to pay by bonk). I wonder where they could stash the receipt printer?

Natalie Gritpants: "American Express isn't a credit card, it's a charge card and that's (one of the reasons) why lots of businesses don't accept it."

But, like Grogan, I still don't understand. If a business *does* accept it, and they charge it, surely they have *already* been paid, rather than issued some kind of IOU? Whether the card holder then repays the financial institution responsible is between them and it, rather than the original merchant?

Re: American Express isn't a credit card

Strictly speaking yes. But Amex does offer cards that are credit cards (Amex Blue). Not sure I'd depend on that distinction for this case.

But frankly when I looked at taking them for a group where I volunteered, the sole reason to prefer Mastercard and Visa was the ease of setting up both accounts and the manner in which fees were charged. MC/Visa only charged if the transaction went through. Amex (and Discover at the time IIRC) both charged per transaction regardless of whether the transaction was approved.

Not sure I agree,

I think that it's because the charges for AmEx are higher than the charges for other credit or debit cards. After all, visa delta cards are charge cards, not credit cards.