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Samsung is looking for 10 billion won ($9.43m) in compensation from Dyson after the vacuum maker dropped its patent lawsuit against the Korean firm. Dyson DC37 vacuum cleaners The chaebol is claiming that the IP litigation over its MotionSync range of hoovers damaged its corporate image. Dyson filed the suit with the UK …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "The chaebol is claiming that the IP litigation over its MotionSync range of hoovers damaged its corporate image."

    Hoover is a company, the expression the author was looking for was vacuum cleaner.

    1. Paul Webb

      "Hoover" was genericised to mean any type (or brand) of vacuum cleaner a long time ago. The (correct) expression the author was looking for was... "hoovers".

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        If you think it's that generic - go into a shop selling Dyson vacuum cleaners and ask for a "Dyson hoover", see the series of expressions on the salesperons face wihle they try to be polite to you, but it's really cutting them up inside.

        1. Kane

          @ Anonymous Coward

          I really don't think the average salesperson could care less tbh.

          1. Squander Two

            Re: @ Anonymous Coward

            And, if they did care, so what? The trademark was diluted, as a matter of law, regardless of any salesperson's opinion.

          2. Z-Eden
            Headmaster

            Re: @ Anonymous Coward

            AAARRRGGGHHHH

            1. Haku

              @ Z-Eden

              Lets beat him up with an aluminum baseball bat...

      2. JaitcH
        Thumb Down

        @ Paul Webb - Hoover? Wasn't he the ...

        gay guy who ran the FBI and kept is job, until he dropped dead, by blackmailing US politicians?

      3. Psyx

        " 'Hoover' was genericised to mean any type (or brand) of vacuum cleaner a long time ago."

        ...In the UK.

    2. Malcolm 1

      Hoover is a practically a genericised trademark, and synonymous with "vacuum cleaner", in the UK at least.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Try Telling that to Biro...

        ... Who have sent letters to Private Eye complaining about their use of another genericised trademark... Private Eye in their usual way simply published the letter on their letters page entitled "What a pathetic way to make a living"

  2. akeane

    That sucks!

    1. Peter Storm

      Yes, but probably not for very long if it's made by Samsung

      1. PJL500

        If Alien ever does get onto planet Earth, the first thing he'll do is give that Samsung sucker an intolerable rodgering!

      2. SuccessCase

        It will advertise a 4 cyclone cell, show pictures of 4 on the box, but the suction hose will only be connected to 2.

  3. frank ly

    The picture ..

    When I saw that, I thought it was a picture of Dyson's range of vacuum cleaners. I wonder where Samsung got the idea to make a vacuum cleaner look like that. Or maybe it's obvious and form follows from function :)

    1. Tom7
      FAIL

      Re: The picture ..

      That's because it is a picture of Dyson's vacuum cleaners. Hover over it - the alttext says 'Dyson DC37 Vacuum Cleaners'.

      1. JetSetJim

        Re: The picture ..

        Upvote for pointing out the lack of reading comprehension, although one has to admit that they do look decidedly similar:

        http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/home-appliances/vacuum-cleaner/cylinders/VC20F70UKGC/EU

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The picture ..

          They may look similay, but my VW Golf looks a lot like many other five door family hatchbacks. I strongly suspect it's rather more function defined form than anything else.

          That said, the Samsung is all dark grey and industrial looking, whereas the Dyson is light silver with big chunks of brighly coloured plastic and a hint of a designer who's just seen alien. I guess what I'm saying is that if someone showed me both cleaners unbadged, I'd be more than capable of saying which one was and which one wasn't the Dyson.

          1. JetSetJim

            Re: The picture ..

            The Sammy variant also available with a smattering of blue or red, at least:

            http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/home-appliances/vacuum-cleaner/cylinders/VC21F50HDER/EU

            Not quite as garish as the Dyson, admittedly.

          2. Eddy Ito

            Re: The picture ..

            Pretty much all cyclonic separators look the same and have since 1945 when they were invented. Sure, you can play with diameters, height and flow velocities depending on what you're separating but you're going to get pretty much the same thing if the goal is to make something about the size of and with the functionality of existing vacuum cleaners.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: The picture ..

              Thanks for someone pointing out that Dyson didn't - contrary to popular opinion - invent the cyclone as a method of extracting dirt from air.

              Dyson may well have invented some specific techologies, but he does tend to allow as many people as he can to think he invented the whole concept..

              1. MJI Silver badge

                Re: The picture ..

                JD got the idea from a saw mill.

                He admits he thought of the application but just repurposed the cyclone seperators.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The picture ..

          " although one has to admit that they do look decidedly similar:"

          I can confirm that form does not follow function, if my cheapo Samsung bagless vacuum cleaner is anything to go by. Dirt pick up is poor, dust retention appalling, the suction starts off strong but drops off alarmingly quickly. It seems to be similar to Dyson (by reputation) as the turbo brush was pathetic and short lived, and various bits have broken or dropped off.

          And Samsung have a USP of world's noisiest vaccum cleaner. I keep a pair of ear defenders over the handle, so unpleasant and exterme is the noise. Amusingly, the box proudly announced "Whisper quiet", and I have a mental image of two profoundly deaf Samsung engneers

          standing by the device, itself screaming away into an aero engine test bed, even their vision going opaque due to the intensity of the noise energy, congratulating each other in blurred Korean Sign Language on their silent vacuum cleaner.

          1. DF118

            Re: The picture ..

            @Ledswinger

            I have both a Samsung hoover and a Dyson (yeah, we're a two hoover family). The Samsung is much (much) quieter and has much better suction. It was also less than half the price. In conclusion, I think your sample size might be somewhat lacking.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: The picture ..

              " I think your sample size might be somewhat lacking."

              Well, I can raise you a Panasonic bagged cleaner, so we're two vacuum's apeice. But you'd still be right about sample size.

      2. Nick Pettefar

        Re: The picture ..

        Don't you mean Hoover over it?

    2. YetAnotherMatt

      Re: The picture ..

      It *is* a picture of Dyson's range of vacuum cleaners: "Dyson DC37 vacuum cleaners", according to the title and filename.

      1. Syntax Error

        Re: The picture ..

        Look like IMacs to me.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The picture ..

          >JD got the idea from a saw mill.

          I read that first prototype actually used the cyclonic extractor from his paint-spray shop....either way the first patent for cyclone vacuum cleaner which resembled a Dyson was granted in 1903 (DT Kenney)

  4. Sandpit

    but...

    Does it have rounded corners?

    1. FartingHippo
      Coat

      Re: but...

      I still can't believe they have a range of Dyson Ball cleaners, when Dyson Sphere would have guaranteed a sale to me at least!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: but...Dyson sphere

        At least the thing wouldn't need emptying very often.

        1. auburnman

          Re: but...Dyson sphere

          Stashing it in the cupboard would be murder though

  5. Robert E A Harvey

    Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

    I am sick and tired of Samsung in so many ways.

    I'l get a Vax, if only for old time's sake.

    1. James Hughes 1

      Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

      Hmm, my recent experience with Vax is that they are a bit shite (a fragile vacuum and a stream mop - the mop really does push the boundaries of shitely designed product). Esp. compared with my Dyson ball thingy which I have been very impressed with.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung - Vax

        I think this is a YMMV one. I replaced a Dyson with a Vax because the Dyson broke and I couldn't get parts - after 2 years. The Vax is now over 4 years old (as I work out with surprise) and is still working perfectly.

        But neither of them come near my 10 year old Henry that cleans the garage. OK it goes through bags, but when I think of what has gone into those bags over the years, ranging from metal filings through wood shavings to carbon fibre, I'd rather empty a sealed bag into a dustbin than have to get the dust out of a Dyson.

        1. James Hughes 1

          Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung - Vax @AC

          Since Dyson's have a 5 year warrantee, and have had for some years, I presume your broken Dyson was really quite some time ago? Wait though - you've had the Vax for 4 years, so the Dyson must be six (by your numbers), so was within warrantee at the time it failed. Something doesn't add up.

          Oh, and I still see parts for Dysons from years ago on market stalls. Not that mine have ever gone wrong.

    2. Tom7

      Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

      Ah, but do you go for something like the 11/780, on the grounds that the cooling demands of TTL discretes is going to provide better cleaning power? Or would the power efficiency of the MicroVAX compensate for the reduced flow rate?

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

        The problem with the 11/780 is the three phase power requirement - not often seen in a domestic setting, whereas the Microvax uses a standard mains plug...

    3. PJI

      Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

      Nothing sucks like a VAX.

      Ah, the VAX 750, running BSD UNIX please.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

      "I'l get a Vax, if only for old time's sake."

      Choose carefully. If you have a look at the cheapest bagless cleaners carrying the Samsung, Hoover and Vax names, you'll see several machines that look near identical. Who actually designed them we'll never know, and my guess is that they all come out of the same factory in China. And they're all Which? "Don't buys".

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

        we have a Vax here in the office. Noisy thing and after about 30 mins use it overheats and shuts down for about 2 hours. The handle is too short for tall people and the cord stowage is terrible.

        Bought cheap (sub £100) from Macro I think.

    5. flipper

      Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

      Don't do it! Vax are rubbish. The belt driving the one I had was so weak that the second anything got caught, it would break, no matter how quickly you switched it off.

      I was averaging 2 new belts a month at one point.

      Vax even have "Don't take me back to the shop" written on their boxes and on the cleaners themselves. Speaks volumes about their confidence in the products, I thought.

    6. Peter 48

      Re: Something else I won't be buying from Samsung

      Why, because they are sick and tired of being called copycats by every blind fanboi with an opinion and have decided to fight back?

  6. a well wisher

    Surely there is some prior art regarding small hoovers like that being dragged about by their hose

    There used to be an old (true) Hoover sphere shaped thing with three wheels, didn't there ? ( 50s/60s)

    In fact the Henry is a close approximation - if its all about the steering mech ?

    1. Tom7

      Hasn't basically every non-upright vacuum cleaner ever built had three wheels and been pulled around by its hose? Except Roomba and its lookalikes, I guess.

      1. WonkoTheSane
        Headmaster

        Actually no.

        Back in the 1960, Hoover produced a spherical model without any wheels at all.

        The "Hoover Constellation" floated around on its exhaust like a hovercraft.

        It's still available in the USA:- http://hoover.com/products/details/s3345/constellation-bagged-canister/

        1. Robert E A Harvey

          floated around on its exhaust like

          ... and what a disaster it was. I used to pick it up so it would suck harder. More effort going into float than suck.

      2. jolly

        Some had no wheels

        In the late 70's my parents had a hoover that hovered. You could detach the hose, give it a push, and it would glide across the room (cord permitting, that is). It would also blow as well as suck (by attaching the hose to the air output beneath).

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