back to article Sway: Microsoft's new Office app doesn't have an Undo function

Microsoft has released a preview of Sway, which the company says is a "brand new app in the Office portfolio." But what is it? Sway is a "way to express yourself and bring your ideas to life," Microsoft says. This kind of fluff is a poor way to define a product. Here is another try, from the same announcement: A “sway” is …

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  1. hplasm
    Stop

    Sway.

    What you do when pissed.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sway.

      And there's no Undo function when you are pissed either, like for when you fall into the urinal in the pub bogs, or ram a broken bottle into someone's throat.

    2. TheVogon

      Re: Sway.

      "Microsoft has released a preview"

      So not final then. So not even beta. So how is this news? Must be a slow day in Reg Central...

  2. Omgwtfbbqtime

    Sounds like it's for gilding turds, but without the gold.

  3. Robert E A Harvey

    continuing the trend

    So, Powerpoint induced people to think and present facts in a particular way.

    Sway appears to do it all for them, so they don't have to bother with the thinking bit?

    I am simultaniously not impressed and very impressed. How did they do that?

    1. et tu, brute?
      Facepalm

      Re: continuing the trend

      Don't worry, Microsucks does the thinking for you! No brains required anymore...

      1. et tu, brute?
        Thumb Up

        Re: continuing the trend

        Thanks for all the downvotes! :p

        Would be nice to know why though... is it because I renamed the company, or because said company seems to create more and more products that work like they think you should work, and don't give you the option to work like you want anymore?

        1. MrWibble

          Re: continuing the trend

          I suspect the downvotes are due to "Microsucks" - it makes you appear as a teenage dickhead.

          Hope that helps.

          1. hplasm
            Windows

            Re: continuing the trend

            But if you use "Windows" they sic the DMCA on you.

            http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/15/microsoft_dmca_innocents_hit/

            So Winblows, Microsucks etc seem to be legitimate alternatives...

        2. Trevor_Pott Gold badge

          Re: continuing the trend

          Downvoted for Microsucks. Even I wouldn't use that one, dude.

    2. king of foo

      Re: continuing the trend

      PowerPoint did no such thing. I see my fair share of presentations and can guarantee that neither thinking nor facts have anything to do with the godawful mess that finds itself on screen most of the time. If you added up all the hours wasted by middle management types pulling together hideous presentations you could probably rebuild the Eiffel tower, to scale, out of lollipops sticks. After eating said lollipops. Mmmmm lollipops...

    3. Cipher

      Re: continuing the trend

      Vaguely reminded of HyperCard, but not nearly as cool. Maybe Danny Goodman could consult on this and improve it...

      1. Franklin

        Re: continuing the trend

        That was my impression, too. It's like Hypercard, only juiced with cloudy Web 2.0 goodness. Whee!

  4. James 51

    Sounds a bit like One Note, the next generation.

    1. Terry 6 Silver badge

      @James51 That occurred to me too. It sounds fun, and interesting. But as with OneNote's slightly confusing way of organising stuff I suspect I'd end up using some third party version that works more easily. (Like I use Evernote now).

      1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
        Boffin

        Re: Terry 6

        "....It sounds fun, and interesting...." Hmmmm, I think the intended market is the real "99%", as in the 99% of smartphone, tablet and PC users that aren't power-users, that don't want or know how to use PowerPoint or Photoshop, but want to quickly be able to put a 'slideset' together for a limited audience. I'm thinking the guy with his holiday snaps, the kids that that took a video with their phone of their mates falling off their skateboards, that kind of user. They just want to take some media items and quickly create a polished-looking article, using someone else's clever templates, that they can then stick on Facebook or the like, and have it look good on different types of devices without having to do any intelligent work up front. For that 99%, this is social media WYSIWYG-on-steroids, requiring minimal learning yet giving a quite pleasing output. It won't appeal to those photo-editor snobs that can spend half-an-hour discussing RGB values but they are the 1% that will pay out for a full Photoshop license. All in all it seems a quite interesting idea.

        1. Roo
          Linux

          Finally, a decent replacement for SliTeX & WTF is with the down vores for Matty B? (was Re: Terry 6)

          "Hmmmm, I think the intended market is the real "99%", as in the 99% of smartphone, tablet and PC users that aren't power-users, that don't want or know how to use PowerPoint or Photoshop, but want to quickly be able to put a 'slideset' together for a limited audience"

          I know this is a Matt Bryant post, but it makes sense, it isn't insulting anyone and I can even agree with it. I really can't see any point in down voting it which makes me wonder WTF the down voting clowns are up to.

          Kinda weird seeing MS produce a SliTeX for the smartphone generation. :)

          1. Terry 6 Silver badge

            Re: Finally, a decent replacement for SliTeX & WTF is with the down vores for Matty B? (was Terry 6)

            Well yeah. Matty's comment seems pretty reasonable ( not short, but reasonable).

            Computers are for users.

            Not for the IT guys.

            And if the ordinary user can make a presentation this way, and it meets the purpose. Good.

            Most users probably need about 1% of the software functionality they have. And probably don't know how to use the rest.

            Even "Power Users" discover functions on a need basis. When they need to do something they find out how.

            So if "Sway" gives users a toy to play with, and they can use it, cool!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Windows

      @James51

      Agreed with the OneNote reference, but next generation?

      Check the OneNote website. It can already do everything this weirdness can.

      Providing contents based on the device its on? Check.

      Defining your own look & feel (even with the use of templates)? Check.

      Allow the use of bullet points to sum up your ideas? Check. (sway doesn't it seems)

      Separate between sections, cards and even notebooks? Check.

      Related to point 2: change the layout of a card? Check.

      Publishing your stuff into the cloud (OneDrive or Web app)? Check.

      Using an undo function? Check!

      OneNote next gen? I disagree. I'm more inclined to name this: "OneNote the cloud version". So basically selling us something which already exists, is slightly changed and (here's the cynic in me:) is most likely going to be a reason to charge more for the upcoming Office release.

      Also important: another attempt of getting people to move away from the traditional approach of storing their contents on their own computers or (home) servers and instead move to the "cloud". A development I personally consider to be very dangerous.

      For the record; that's coming from an Office fan ;) Although I'm still using 2010 to my satisfaction and have no need for the later products.

      1. Anonymous Custard
        Big Brother

        Re: @James51

        Or a cross between OneNote and the NSA's inbox...

      2. groberts116

        Re: @James51

        One Note Is part of Office and the complete application is on accessed and stored on your hard drive. I use Office 365 and the whole program is resident on my hard drive and if I choose to, I can save my Office files to One Drive, but the default file save is to my hard drive.

    3. keithpeter Silver badge
      Windows

      Tinderbox

      By the end of page 1 of the article I was getting slightly worried - I was thinking what might be on page 2. Add cards within cards, a powerful search function, a set of 'agents' that allow you to do things like 'list all cards with 'do this next week' in the title dated a week ago', hyperlinks between cards? A powerful scripted export template?

      ...but no Tinderbox is safe. The only reason I would ever run Mac OS again...

  5. Zippy's Sausage Factory
    FAIL

    I think we now have to change the phrase 'Death By PowerPoint' to 'Death By Sway'.

    1. Paul Webb

      Given the state it's in...

      Perhaps that should be Dearth by Sway.

  6. Sealand
    WTF?

    So basically input something - anything - and Sway will decide what it is and lay it out as it can wherever it can? No undo and no adjustments possible?

    Sounds like a winner. How long before we see OpenSway on GitHub?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Coat

      I'll wait for...

      NoSway.

      As in 'just fall over, do not bend knees.'

    2. P. Lee
      Coat

      re: How long before we see OpenSway on GitHub?

      We usually call it "HTML."

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They just throw any shit out there, with the hope that it sticks.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nah ..

    .. I'm not swayed (sorry).

    Let's get the day to day stuff working first, with real Open Standards and interoperability, and then I'll look at new crap. If I'm really, really bored and there is absolutely nothing on TV (not even ads).

  9. CaptainHook

    ​What, then, is Sway for?

    it's for the one thing it already does... forcing greater adoption of OneDrive

  10. harmjschoonhoven

    No Undo function

    I thought we had Twitter for that.

  11. David Lawrence

    OMG

    ...I just felt a little bit of vomit in my mouth from reading Microsoft's description of this new cack. I think it was also caused by the nauseating aroma of bullshit that also emanated from my computer screen.

    I love the way that they say 'Sway is an exciting way of creating Sways which are really exciting'. Awesome. Their Marketing department needs a pat on the back for that.

    Must go now..... where's my bucket!!!???

  12. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Trollface

    Microsoft wants to get away from the traditional idea of using a template

    And their idea is to remove all possibility of formatting altogether ?

    Wow, that sounds like it's going to work very well for the general public - when in the meeting, that is.

    Because I have never met a more pickier nitpick than the general public, Microsoft. Tell anyone that they can post something on the Internet these days and they're going to immediately want to see font options and paragraph options exactly like they see them in Word.

    And you can't even resize pictures ? Come on, it's almost 2015 already, wake up in there ! What are you trying to do, Microsoft, reinvent Edlin for the web ?

  13. andy 103

    I'll express myself....by not using it.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sway is to software

    what apple is for hardw... oops, I meant, it's what MS surface is for mobile computing :)

  15. Peter Clarke 1

    Demographic

    So which Demographic is it aimed at? Adult? Teen? Pre-teen? Brain Dead? I'm-driving-but-I-have-this-great-idea?

    When will The Register be adopting this in the Comments???

    1. TheOtherHobbes

      Re: Demographic

      >So which Demographic is it aimed at?

      Manudjment. Funky new social-savvy media genius manudjment.

      Like that Nadella chap, ferinstance.

      1. A Twig

        Re: Demographic

        Our marketing department at work are going to love this - and I think this is precisely who it is aimed at - corporate branding zealots.

        No matter what content those irritating engineers and technical types put in, all those horrible to prettify graphs and tables, those CAD drawings - Sway will make it all conform to the pre-designed and expensively consulted image outreach campaign of the business.

        The it will expand to be the required format for all internal communications...

        It's a marcomms wet dream - no escape from the brand - ever...

      2. tony2heads

        Re: Demographic

        I'm waiting for The Bongster to comment on it

        1. John G Imrie

          Re: Demographic

          Comment on it. He proposed it when Satya Nadella came round for an afternoons relaxation in his sensory deprivation tank.

  16. Avatar of They
    FAIL

    I don't see a need so why design the solution.

    Reminds me of groove, and net meeting, and InfoPath, one note and all those other little office add ons that come out over the years, chew up RAM and HDD space, no one uses and no one cares.

    People only want the main three, (Word, Excel, Powerpoint) maybe access and publisher for the minority. They want to write, to add up, to show off and then maybe store some data and print pretty leaflets.

    Basically this is another way to promote 'cloud' and 'ipads', as it looks touch based interface and that horrible 2013 everything is 'square' look. And cloud based stuff just doesn't meet the DPA real world scenario. (Or where BT run your internet speeds.)

    1. mrweekender

      Re: I don't see a need so why design the solution.

      Who the fuck wants Publisher? Yeeack!

  17. N2

    Is it another

    April 1st ?

  18. Gordon 10
    FAIL

    LameDuck for Office 2015

    MS always attempts to add a pointless application to each iteration of Office, they always fail, the only exception being OneNote which seems to have attracted a rabid* fan base. Looks like Sway is the new entrant in this category.

    *rabid in the sense of those who colour code their emails or tidy their desk before going home each night.

  19. nick bunyan

    Didn't Microsh*t used to have a web page building tool...

    And isn't the main content block or frontpage [Where have I heard that name before...] story the 'Hero' element in lots of CMS tools today...

  20. Hi Wreck

    I think they got the name wrong...

    Perhaps, given the lack of control over formatting and even the lack of an undo function, this new application should really be called "Pray".

    1. Darryl

      Re: I think they got the name wrong...

      "lack of control over formatting"

      Isn't that Word's job?

  21. Lallabalalla
    FAIL

    Cards, text... this is basic stuff

    Should be titled "My First Web App", this is the sort of stuff 14 year olds are doing for their ICT coursework. and from the sound of it, doing it better.

    And - Powerpoint?? For dinosaurs, and the Very Boring. Anyone with an ounce of savvy uses Prezzy these days.

    1. Lallabalalla

      Re: Cards, text... this is basic stuff

      I see from the downvote that the m$ shill is alive and well

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Cards, text... this is basic stuff

        It's weird.. he likes everything from Microsoft, even crap like this.

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