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The Apple Watch will require daily charging thanks to its poor battery life, Apple CEO Tim Cook has admitted. The daily maintenance is reminiscent of the bad old days when timepieces needed to be wound up to keep them ticking. Speaking at a live Q+A, the Apple boss said: "We think people are going to use it so much you will …

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  1. Winkypop Silver badge
    Trollface

    Odd

    I thought the kids/yoof/hipsters had stopped wearing wrist watches these days.

    "The time's on me phone"

    1. AMBxx Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Odd

      You've hit the nail on the head (unintentionally). People aren't wearing this to tell the time.

      I've no use for one, but I can't see the problem of having a 2nd device to charge every night. With wireless charging, just leave phone and watch on charging pad.

      1. Charles 9

        Re: Odd

        "I've no use for one, but I can't see the problem of having a 2nd device to charge every night. With wireless charging, just leave phone and watch on charging pad."

        Perhaps, but last I heard, the iWatch doesn't support Qi or the like. That said, there also needs to be consideration for people, say, on the go who may not have ready access to a charger at night or who go the zombie route and don't sleep one night to make some hectic deadline. It would be nice to have a timepiece capable of holding its own for a longer period, say at least two days unassisted. I'm curious about the concept myself, but at this point none of these have hit the the price/perk sweet spot, and I'm willing to wait. I'm probably more inclined to pick an e-ink-based device that can throw up a passive display. Or maybe something like the Qualcomm Toq, only with a more-refined interface.

        1. alun phillips

          Re: Zombies

          Uh, you don't actually have to sleep to charge devices, if your pulling an all nights at your desk just plug it in.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Zombies

            "Uh, you don't actually have to sleep to charge devices, if your pulling an all nights at your desk just plug it in."

            Unless your all-nighter involves being away from things like mains sockets...

            1. i like crisps
              Facepalm

              Re: Zombies

              Not ZOMBIES but SLAVES.

      2. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: Odd

        It's like a regression. Turn of the 20th Century soldiers started wearing wristwatches, so they didn't have to use busy hands to pull a pocket watch (usually on a chain) out, and open it to read the time.

        Wristwatches caught on because they are practical.

        Now the hapless youngsters have gone back to pulling a device out of their pockets, opening the case, if they have that type, and touching a button to light up the time.

        Instead of just turning their wrist a bit to see the time.

        'kin idiots.

        1. BXL

          Re: Odd

          Re: werdsmith

          Yeah, because soldiers on the battlefield needing to coordinate their attacks to a schedule has the same requirements to tell the time as people wondering whether they've got time for one more pint.

          1. werdsmith Silver badge

            Re: Odd

            Re: BXL

            As I said, the wristwatch caught on because it is practical. There are a myriad different reasons to look at the time apart from drinking up time.

        2. petur

          Re: Odd

          I bought a Casio with solar and DCF77 just because I wanted to have a watch that would always work and always be correct. It's on my list of best stuff I ever bought.

          When this tech will also be able to show me incoming mails and IM/SMS, I'll upgrade...

          1. Number6

            Re: Odd

            When this tech will also be able to show me incoming mails and IM/SMS, I'll upgrade...

            I have a Pebble watch (it was a gift, not sure I'd have bothered to pay for one) and it does show me incoming stuff. Short stuff it displays, but email just tells me I've got an email. It does show the CLI of incoming calls and I can tell the phone to reject the call using one of the watch buttons.

            It only needs charging once a week, too.

            (contrast my 30yr-old Casio LCD watch which lasts several years on a battery and is still working)

            1. werdsmith Silver badge

              Re: Odd

              @Number6

              Is your Pebble on old firmware? They show all phone notifications including content (like BBC Sports goal updates etc), and I can read email content on mine, was well as whole SMS etc. It doesn't just show the CLI, it pulls up the contact name from the phone.

              The Pebble also has a daylight vis display with memory, dozens of apps for maps, GPS, compass, fitness and loads of other useless stuff too like the ability to make your own custom watchfaces and apps.

          2. Paul

            Re: Odd

            I have one of those too. Not expensive. Am on my third strap - replaced the rubber one, then replaced that with a metal one. Still on its first battery, quite a few years on.

        3. Paul

          Re: Odd

          likewise button-flies on trousers.

          For my last birthday my wife bought me some smart jeans with button flies.

          I wore them a few times to keep her happy, and then they mysteriously found their way deep into a charity bag where they wouldn't be noticed.

        4. jjk
          Holmes

          Re: Odd

          Apple missed a chance there by not making it an actual pocket watch. They would have been able to fit a bigger battery, and the Fedora wearing crowd would have gone nuts for it. Bring back waistcoats, watch pockets, watch chains and the little trinkets you can hang on them, say I.

        5. lotus49

          Re: Odd

          I haven't worn a watch since I was seven. As a consequence, I am very good at estimating the time. It's unusual for me to be more than 5 minutes out and I can usually guess more accurately than that. I use my phone more often than I need to tell the time so having the time on my wrist is absolutely no use to me.

      3. Mage Silver badge
        Thumb Down

        Re: Odd

        And how does the charging pad get power? It's Contactless charger connection. Not Wireless. You need to find a suitable plug socket. Fun when travelling.

        I'll be losing faith in humanity if this more successful than the Apple Pippin.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: Odd

          @Mage ""You’re going to wind up charging it daily,” he emphasised."

          Well, according to Mr Cook, "You’re going to wind up charging it daily,” he emphasised.

          So it's going to be like those wind up torches, obviously. Just attach the eco-friendly winding handle conveniently supplied with every watch and wind it for 5 minutes for each hour of planned operation and think of the bonus calories you're burning off at the same time. Win-win for every fanboi.

      4. william 10

        Re: Odd

        But my understanding is that this does not work out of the box with those iPhones ! The extra costs involved in wireless chargers, new backs for your phone etc.. is way to much, when you just forked out for a new wardrobe to allow your to transport your HUGE (and that's Apples words) new iPhone is beyond most peoples budgets.

        1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

          Re: Odd

          As the device hasn't gone on sale yet there seems to be a lot of fuzzy infor doing the rounds.

          If my memory is correct, Apple said

          that it will work with the iPhone 5S. In fact that is the onlyt way to get ApplePay working with an iPhone 5S

          By modern standards, the iPhone 5S is not a huge phone.

          We shall have to wait and see what the thing is with charging these watchlike things.

          I do know on thing for sure.

          I won't be buying any smart watch no matter who makes it. Getting watch staps to go round my huge bony wrists is next to impossible and for devices that come with builtIn straps/bracelets type thingies, then they are a clear no-go for me.

          Now if someone was to put one on a nice gold chain and in a case like a proper pocket watch I might be interested.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Useless, expensive AND inconvenient, a genius idea

    I'd have thought that kinetic charging as the user moved wouldn't be beyond the technology of today,. Obviously such advanced ideas are alien to Apple.

    Good luck with that, Tim.

    1. Semtex451

      Re: Useless, expensive AND inconvenient, a genius idea

      With kinetic charging, the target audience might have exploded their watches.

      Cough.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge
        Angel

        Re: Useless, expensive AND inconvenient, a genius idea

        And by that you mean the polite round of applause Tim gets after he demonstrates another interesting new product feature, of course.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Useless, expensive AND inconvenient, a genius idea

      Powered by wrist action? Danger of overwinding the watch, given that fanbois can be such a bunch of w*****s

    3. Mage Silver badge

      Re: Useless, expensive AND inconvenient, a genius idea

      My Russian watch in 1960s wound itself. Other more expensive Swiss ones were better of course!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Useless, expensive AND inconvenient, a genius idea

        "Other more expensive Swiss ones were better of course"

        And the cost of a genuine Swiss watch is now approaching what I'd consider car money. However for any sadsters currently dependent upon their smartphone to tell them the time, they might consider upgrading to a Seiko 5. That's a lovely piece of self winding mechanical precision (from Singapore last time I looked) offered in a range of cases and dial designs for around the fifty quid mark.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Useless, expensive AND inconvenient, a genius idea

      A lot of people aren't wearing watches any more because they carry a phone and they use that instead. What would make them look at their wrist for information about emails, chats, etc. when they're not doing that even for something as simple as the time of day?

      Some people wear a watch as a fashion statement (hence the large market in fake Rolexes, etc). But I can't see someone who does that swapping their bejewelled hunk of stylish polished Swiss perfection for something cheaply made out of plastic from Apple.

      Some people wear a watch simply because they want to know the time of day. There's nothing about an iWatch that sounds like it does that job better, or at all after 24hrs away from a mains socket.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Useless, expensive AND inconvenient, a genius idea

      Kinetics can't generate nearly enough power. There's a reason why even dumb LCD watches have those little batteries in them, rather than using kinetics like their self-winding mechanical cousins.

  3. Semtex451
    FAIL

    Wind up Merchant

    "You’re going to wind up charging it daily,” he emphasised

    Was he trying to be funny?

    1. kmac499

      Re: Wind up Merchant

      Possible marketing spoonerism should it have read ??

      "We’re going to wind up charging you daily,”

    2. frank ly

      Re: Wind up Merchant

      About five years ago, I bought a cheap wind-up watch from Argos. It actually had a prominent 'warning' statement in the instructions to tell you that if you didn't wind it up every day then it would stop working. I felt so old.

  4. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Chinese

    The market for iWatch is supposedly China and handwritten tweets

    To read short messages in chinese easily without a lot of context you need to know the order the strokes were made in. The iWatch has a messaging app where you can draw a chinese character and it is sent to the recipient a stroke at a time in real time, so they can get your tweet and understand it quickly.

    1. Kristian Walsh Silver badge

      Re: Chinese

      Not quite: you can always understand the meaning of written Chinese messages - this is as expressive as any other written language, and a lot more compact than many. The problems arise in verbal communication.

      Mandaran Chinese has a very small repertoire of sounds, compared to other languages, so the number of homophones is very high: cases like the English "red" and "read" are much more commonplace. The fact that Mandarin is actually a second language for most of the population just adds to this confusion.

      So when speaking face to face, it's not uncommon for Chinese to make a "writing" gesture of part of the word that they're saying, in order to disambiguate a word that sounds the same. On the phone, this option is not available.

      Still, it sounds like someone at Apple inventing an application for this watch, rather than them inventing the watch to fill a need.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Chinese

        My understanding was that the watch enabled precisely this "writing on your hand" functionality.

        You start to write a message to somebody and it pings their watch and shows the character being drawn as you draw it.

  5. Simon Harris

    Bad old days.

    A clockwork watch may have needed winding up every day, but that did take less than a minute and didn't need plugging in somewhere.

    1. Charles 9

      Re: Bad old days.

      I also recall that all but the most expensive and elaborate timepieces tended to drift significantly as the day passed. If anyone's ever seen "The Secret Life of Machines" Tim Hunkin did an episode on the quartz watch and covered timepiece history in some detail. Knock the cheap quartz watch all you want, but it's hard to beat it for consistency.

      1. ElReg!comments!Pierre

        Re: Bad old days.

        > tended to drift significantly as the day passed.

        Yes, back in the days you'd have to re-synch your watch once a day, using for example the 10h10 London Express. Nowadays watches don't drift anymore, which is probably a good thing, if you get my, er, drift.

        1. ItsNotMe

          @ElReg!comments!Pierre

          "...Yes, back in the days you'd have to re-synch your watch once a day...

          Strange...but my 45 year old Omega SpeedMaster doesn't "drift significantly" at all...never has...and has kept perfect time since new. Never had to sync it. It just works! :-)

          And for those who think that having to wind a watch every day is so tedious...might be a good idea to check yourselves into a hospital for a checkup.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: @ElReg!comments!Pierre

            Except twice a year in those places they observe Day Light Savings...... {}:>))

          2. Charles 9

            Re: @ElReg!comments!Pierre

            "Strange...but my 45 year old Omega SpeedMaster doesn't "drift significantly" at all...never has...and has kept perfect time since new. Never had to sync it. It just works! :-)"

            I said, "all but the most expensive and elaborate timepieces..." A $3700 Omega Speedmaster chronograph qualifies as "expensive and elaborate".

            1. ItsNotMe
              FAIL

              Re: @ElReg!comments!Pierre

              That's wonderful @Charles 9...but I was not replying to you. I was replying to @ElReg!comments!Pierre

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "That could all change with the Apple Watch, of course, but would you wear a timepiece that required a daily charge?"

    See also:

    That could all change with the Apple iPhone, of course, but would you use a mobile phone that required a daily charge?

  7. Simon Harris

    Cook himself is fond of bonking his shopping

    Me too... I'm not allowed in Sainsbury's any more!

    1. Irongut

      Re: Cook himself is fond of bonking his shopping

      Pita Predator!

  8. DaddyHoggy

    My Seiko Kinetic watch has been ticking over nicely for 15 years now. I wear it daily, so I presume the battery stays fully charged - but still 15 years is good going.

    I did stop wearing it once for a week. After a couple of days the pointers stopped moving, but I gave it a little shake and they moved back to the right time and carried on where they left off.

    As a time piece that I don't have to think about/interact with other than its actual function of telling me the time when I look at it - it's perfect.

    1. Simon Harris

      Some of those look quite handsome watches.

    2. tony
      Happy

      Seiko

      I've one of the early Seikos, possibly from around the time you brought yours 98/99? what I did find irritating was the need to change the capacitor every 5/6 years when it wouldn't hold it's charge overnight.

      My thinking was; you sold me this with the promise that I don't have to change the battery every five odd years, changing something else with a similar time frame isn't a massive improvement...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Seiko

        "I've one of the early Seikos, possibly from around the time you brought yours 98/99? what I did find irritating was the need to change the capacitor every 5/6 years when it wouldn't hold it's charge overnight."

        That was due to the capacitors being faulty. Now they come equipped with lithium batteries instead. No idea on their lifetimes though.

  9. Graham 24

    Long-term battery life

    My concern would not be the fact it needs charging every night (although that would be a pain without some sort of induction pad, and inconvenient even then - forget to put it on the pad as you go to bed - no watch the next day).

    If it needs charging once per day when new, how long will it be before the battery gets "tired" and only has 50% charge capacity. At that point the watch keels over half way through the day, making it useless.

    1. Darryl

      Re: Long-term battery life

      Ah, but it's an iProduct. You're expected to buy the Apple Watch 1S next year, so you won't care about the old one's battery life.

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