back to article Future Range Rovers will report pot-holes directly to councils

Jaguar Land Rover is building an experimental Range Rover which can automatically spot and report potholes. The system is akin to one Volvo and Ericsson have been working on to spot icy patches on roads. The Jaguar Land Rover system uses the MagneRide suspension already offered on the Evoque and Discovery Sport. It records …

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  1. stucs201

    Signal to noise ratio

    They could get rather a lot of 'pot hole' reports if it's taken where vehicles with a Landrover badge are supposed to be driven...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Signal to noise ratio

      This is a Range Rover not a Defender, it is unlikely to see anything other than tarmac and a gravel drive.

      1. stucs201

        Re: Signal to noise ratio

        Maybe, maybe not. It'll probably have to suffer that indignity for a while, but even range-rovers sometimes get to enjoy themselves when they reach retirement age. I've seen plenty of old ones on off-road courses.

        1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

          Re: Signal to noise ratio

          It'll probably have to suffer that indignity for a while, but even range-rovers sometimes get to enjoy themselves when they reach retirement age

          That is not a RangeRover.

          That is a DeRangeRover. I regularly see one in my local supermarket parking lot with mud up to the roof and exactly that spelling on the badge (with all the letters at different angles). An original MK1 if memory serves me right too.

      2. Graham Marsden
        Coat

        @AC - Re: Signal to noise ratio

        > , it is unlikely to see anything other than tarmac and a gravel drive.

        Oh come on, now! I've seen plenty of Range Rovers being driven Off Road...

        ... and up on to pavements...!

    2. Roger Greenwood

      Re: Signal to noise ratio

      It's almost as if drivers of the chosen vehicles are not smart enough, or are too arrogant, to drive around potholes.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Signal to noise ratio

        Or they are smart enough to know they NEED 4x4 to survive the pot-holes...

        My drive to town is an obstacle course where I have to drive over the entire road (both sides) to avoid pot holes and drops in the road! When a car is oncoming the sensible slow right down to a crawl..

        1. Dr_N

          Re: Signal to noise ratio

          "Or they are smart enough to know they NEED 4x4 to survive the pot-holes..."

          I visited the UK in February with a Magneride equipped Evoque.

          Was so glad of having such a capable vehicle for such dire road surfaces.

          Shocking.

        2. Charles Manning

          Re: Signal to noise ratio

          Sad to see Blighty falling apart just like all the ex-colonial countries in Africa. Sounds like you need to be recolonised by the Romans for a few years.

          At least here in NZ we can blame the earthquakes.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Signal to noise ratio

        "It's almost as if drivers of the chosen vehicles are not smart enough, or are too arrogant, to drive around potholes."

        You don't always have a choice. The road I take to work is liberally strewn with potholes many of which you can only avoid by driving on the "wrong" side of the road - not easy when faced with an Artic filling that side and part of your side of the road as well.

        And no, I don't have a 4x4 just an ordinay saloon.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Signal to noise ratio

      Supposed to be driven - bur rarely are!

    4. MJI Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Signal to noise ratio

      My thoughts as well

      With a 900mm wading depth they are raelly good at the rough stuff.

      Imagine the team turning up to repair a pot hole and finding a green lane.

      I had to use the little red car icon

      1. Dr_N

        Re: Signal to noise ratio

        "With a 900mm wading depth they are raelly good at the rough stuff."

        The Evoque pictured is only rated to 50cm.

        1. MJI Silver badge

          Re: Signal to noise ratio

          I am on about Range Rovers nor Freelander Coupes.

          And the so called Discovery Sport is a Freelander 3.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Signal to noise ratio

            "I am on about Range Rovers nor Freelander Coupes.

            And the so called Discovery Sport is a Freelander 3. "

            One Life. Live it.

            http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/10/01/one-life-live-it-sticker-defines-land-rover-owner/

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Signal to noise ratio

      Can it distinguish between pot holes and pot bellies though?

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438620/Shocking-video-Range-Rover-crashing-bikers-surround-vehicle-annual-street-ride.html

      1. MJI Silver badge

        Re: Signal to noise ratio

        DM Article

        Is this the one where an idiot slams his brakes on and gets ran over for his stupidity?

  2. Nathan 13

    What a great idea

    Not that the councils will actually do anything about it lol

    1. dogged
      Thumb Up

      Re: What a great idea

      Unless it also paints cocks around the potholes.

    2. Pen-y-gors

      Re: What a great idea

      Obviously they won't do anything - government policy for years (for all shades of government, but particularly the current lot) has been to give councils a long, long list of things they MUST do (house people, care for the elderly, educate children etc) but then starve them of funds to do them, so anything that isn't totally life-threatening doesn't get done - and that usually includes road repairs.

      I think the theory has been that if we cut government services and functions(except surveillance), and thus cut taxes, people can choose how to spend their money and buy services themselves from private companies. Unfortunately I don't see how I can choose to spend my money on pot-hole repair. Are we expected to go out with our own bucket of tarmac and big boot to stamp it down? Or have a whip-round down the street and pay to get Wimpey's in with a steamroller?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What a great idea

        "Unfortunately I don't see how I can choose to spend my money on pot-hole repair."

        I offer you a 90% guaranteed solution that involves a small amount of your money and a permanent repair:

        When nobody's around, stick a bag of post-mix concrete in the hole. No skill or talent is required on your part other than common sense of not being seen, and not getting run over. Then, when the post-mix has set, phone the council reporting that persons unknown have done a DIY pothole repair that you don't think is safe, and they'll be out like a shot to fix it, not because of the safety issue (as the original pothole was probably a bigger concern) but because somebody has infringed their monopoly of fixing potholes (or not).

        1. Anonymous IV

          Re: What a great idea

          > When nobody's around, stick a bag of post-mix concrete in the hole. ...

          > Phone the council ...

          This would appear to work only for a single pothole, since on attempt #2 some suspicion may be engendered in even the most unintelligent member of the local Highways Department.

          1. PNGuinn
            FAIL

            Re: What a great idea @A IV

            Doubt it.

            Our Highways Dept has taken Brain Dead to a several new levels of Norwegan Blueness. Officially I think theyr'e restin' after a particularly loud squark.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: What a great idea

            "This would appear to work only for a single pothole,...."

            Alright, send an anonymous letter, signed "the Phantom Pot Hole Filler".

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: What a great idea

              Surly that should be "The Phantom Pot Hole Filler of Old London Town"?

      2. Mendy

        Re: What a great idea

        "Unfortunately I don't see how I can choose to spend my money on pot-hole repair."

        This is something it's worth contacting your local councillor about as they can and do (within the constraints you mentioned) influence where money is spent. Trunk roads and Motorways are the responsibility of central government though.

    3. Fink-Nottle

      Re: What a great idea

      > Not that the councils will actually do anything about it lol

      Issue all councillors with Range Rovers ...

      1. Tom 13
        Unhappy

        Re: Issue all councillors with Range Rovers ...

        Why? They already have chauffeurs to avoid the potholes.

  3. AIBailey
    Thumb Up

    ... though the holes were rather small...

    Thumbs up for the Beatles reference :)

  4. TRT Silver badge

    Christ, I though the roads were bad...

    but when Range Rover are getting worried about poor road surfaces...

    1. TeeCee Gold badge

      Re: Christ, I though the roads were bad...

      Range Rover and their cars don't care at all.

      But their customers are mostly the sort of bling-obsessed rich twats who feel the overwhelming urge to fire a twat-o-tronic outburst at the local council if their backsides are faced with a less than cosseted ride and that's who this system is aimed at.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nice idea in principle. But, another thing that can go wrong to add onto your service bill. Not forgetting another database that's tracking where you've been. I'm sure the old Garçons En Bleu would love to access that...

  6. Douchus McBagg

    used to work for a research team that had a 4096 parallel processor core machine. the main government contract they had was high resolution imaging, mapping, and processing in a unit small enough to fit in a van to analyse road surfaces for cracks, de-lamination, frost damage, all the way up to pot holes. roads could be monitored, and repaired before major problems occurred.

    so while this is a step forward, I suspect this is basically getting someone else to do the data gathering using (what I suspect to be comparatively poor - but will probably get better) commodity hardware.

    this idea has been around for years, and implemented in various ways, the advantage here now, is cheapness. Councils just get a bundle of data without the expenditure of money, time and effort, or having to go and get it.

    http://www.netlib.org/utk/papers/advanced-computers/gamma-II.html

    .

    1. Tom 13

      Re: Councils just get a bundle of data without the expenditure of money, time and effort,

      Pointless. A couple months ago a buddy of mine lost two wheels (not tires, wheels) to a road in Philadelphia. There's no way in hell they didn't know that road needs to be repaired. It wasn't a case of trying to avoid some potholes, it was a matter of deciding which potholes offered the best chance at successfully traversing the road.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Councils just get a bundle of data without the expenditure of money, time and effort,

        While I'm all for criticising local councils for failing to fix potholes, I'm not sure we can reasonably expect them to do anything about poor road surfaces in Philadelphia.

  7. stucs201
    Joke

    What if you mount it upside down?

    Will it report speedbumps instead?

  8. David Pollard
    Joke

    Speaks volumes?

    "That the Swedish system concentrates on icy patches and the British one on potholes speaks volumes ..."

    Surely this isn't suggesting that in Sweden they fill the holes with water and let it freeze overnight?

  9. Tom 7

    Potholes - theres tool for that.

    Its called the steering wheel.

    You dont have to drive into them. I know they are not always possible to avoid but do make an effort.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Potholes - theres tool for that.

      Nope, not always possible to avoid, especially when they are across the full width of the road! I bent two £500 alloys driving into such a 'pot hole'.

      1. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: Potholes - theres tool for that.

        They don't need to run right across the road, merely across the part that you're able to drive on.

        There are lots of places around here where the choice is "hedge, pothole, oncoming cyclist" never mind any larger mobile obstacle.

        1. PNGuinn
          Trollface

          Re: Potholes - theres tool for that. @AB

          Go for the cyclist every time - pothole of no. We're talking Chelsea tractors here aren't we?

          I

      2. PNGuinn
        Facepalm

        Re: Potholes - theres tool for that.

        More fool you. Try steel - its a lot stronger, and 20 or so years on after a lick of paint or two still looks like new.

        Has another advantage - You don't get the problem of the pathetic coating of cheap varnish on the bead seats breaking down and letting than nice alkaline tyre fitters gunk delaminate the cheap varnish and corrode the ally beneath.

        I've got better things to do than pump the bloody tyres every week.

        Tip. When you've brought the rims back home from the fitter and cleaned 'em carefully with wet and dry get the blighter to fit the new tyres using Waxoyl rather than his patent bath soap. The small quantity of solvent wont hurt the rubber - it'll just diffuse through - and the wax will protect the rims and ensure a superb seal.

  10. Nifty Silver badge

    That's the problem with the low profile tyres the Range Rover fashion victims drive around on - you feel every bump.

    1. JamesPond

      Low profile tyres + running boards do not an off-roader make.

      1. MJI Silver badge

        I like running boards

        I can get in them!

        As to my car not being an off roader if it has them.

        Got good stuff like high axle articulation.

        Active anti roll bars which act as disconnected off road

        4W traction control

        centre diff lock

        Off road height setting (on the back)

        Correct badge on steering wheel

        I have fitted extended breathers

        Does green laning with no problems

  11. smartypants

    We should all get 3 tonne offroaders

    Sure, the extra wear will make more potholes, but eventually when they join up and the road completely falls to bits, we'll be even more glad that we have offroaders...

    What could possibly go wrong? Erm

  12. JamesPond

    Mercedes S-Class

    The 2013 Merc S-Class had forward scanning sensors to detect potholes and adjust the suspension accordingly. Unfortunately looks like another first for the Germans, leaving the Brits (Indians) trailing in their wake!

  13. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
    FAIL

    when

    the various councils can be arsed to make the repairs..

    Eg a section of busy dual carridgeway near here was built using a concrete road surface, declared too noisey by the local people rich enough to afford better lawyers than the council , it was covered over in a layer of tarmac to quieten the noise.

    Only trouble is.. the tarmac is seperating from the surface underneath and the holes are spreading fast....

    1. Kevin Johnston

      Re: when

      Would that by any chance be a stretch along the South Coast? Or are you suggesting that every council in the UK falls for the same (concrete is quicker/cheaper) BS from the road builders...

  14. W Donelson

    If it donated £100 to charity for each pothole report, THEN WE WOULD BE SEEING PROGRESS.

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