"...forced to recall..."
"US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration was forced to recall..."
Semantic nitpick.
Doesn't the NHTSA request that the manufacturer recall the vehicles?
A 'request' that would become a demand if required.
Fiat Chrysler recall BLUNDERING could lump carmaker with $105m fine – report
Fiat Chrysler may cop a record-breaking fine from US authorities following a series of bungles. Earlier this week, the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration was forced to recall 1.4 million Fiat Chrysler vehicles, following revelations that the computer systems built into the cars could be exploited by an attacker …
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Tuesday 28th July 2015 12:14 GMT Alan Brown
Re: "...forced to recall..."
"A 'request' that would become a demand if required."
According to a radio report on R4 yesterday, Fiat-Chysler has just entered an agreement with the NHTSA to contact owners and _buy back_ up to 500,000 light trucks, in order to get them off the road.
The report didn't say what the issue was. If the buyback is true then we're talking a world of serious pain for the makers.
Edit: Yup. It's true.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/fiat-chrysler-must-buy-back-hundreds-thousands-ram-pickups-n398911
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Sunday 26th July 2015 15:19 GMT Steve Davies 3
Oh dear
Didn't Apple just hire some designer from Fiat/Chrysler for their Apple-Car development.
No change there then. The A-C is gonna be insecure and open to hacking and theft.
Hacking and making them crach I can understand
But who would want to steal a Fruity Car?
don't all laugh at once
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Sunday 26th July 2015 15:26 GMT bazza
Dose of Reality
The car industry needs an injection of reality into their thinking on the security of connected cars. They are sleep walking into huge liabilities, and this incident for Fiat Chrysler should act as a wake up call. They must first ask themselves what do they really think they're getting from all this connected technology, and do they think it will be worth it?
The insurance industry should start getting worried too. It's going to be very difficult to blame a driver for a crash if they can realistically claim, "wasn't me that pressed the throttle, the car must have been hacked.". Eventually the insurers won't be able to push back against such claims, and they will then have to pick up the bill.
If the manufacturers are looking for increased sales from a "connencted car" they might have got it hideously wrong. The ones that can say "no radio connections here" could do very well in the market once a few more scare stories start circulating.
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Sunday 26th July 2015 17:12 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Dose of Reality
When I was shopping for a car earlier this year I specifically avoided GM products because of Onstar. I looked at Mazda and Dodge cars, and Ram Trucks before I eventually bought a Ford Fusion. I asked specifically if they had cellular radios installed for the telematics systems, or if they communicated through attached cell phones like sync. And I was assured that none had the ability to communicate on their own. It appears that the Dodge and Ram dealerships lied to me. I have been considering purchasing a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel next spring. It looks like that will no longer happen.
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Monday 27th July 2015 08:21 GMT DropBear
Re: Dose of Reality
"I doubt they lied. Most of them don't know what they are talking about but will give you an answer anyway."
Exactly. They just figure out what you want to hear and let you have it. The _right_ way to ask that question is "these things _can_ be updated remotely and _do_ have always-on remote telemetry, right?". Then if the answer you get is "Ummm, no, sorry", you know you're onto something...
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Monday 27th July 2015 18:29 GMT Fan of Mr. Obvious
Re: Dose of Reality
Currently, a hacking incident would likely be classified similar to vandalism. The carrier would pay for damages to the owned vehicle if comprehensive (US) coverage is in place but not to any third part. Meaning windshield washers kicking on causing you to smash into JB's car that is in the Stop-n-Go parking lot only gets your vehicle fixed. If the manufacturer has an active recall, or later issues a recall, they could be liable but will likely not pay. Any third party is SOL, as is the vehicle owner if they do not have full coverage.To be clear, the only way your vehicle, or a vehicle that your vehicle runs into, gets fixed is via each owners insurance.
If it gets to the point where the hacking is classified as terrorism, say because some red state decided to crash every Jeep on the road, then insurance carriers are off the hook completely.
Bottom line, insurance policies are pretty clear on things like this even if they are not 'clear' on hacking. The driver of the vehicle must be determined to be negligent for a third party to be covered. If these cases start going to arbitration with the driver being ruled against, then the carriers will likely seek legislation protecting them and/or changing the policy language to specifically exclude coverage for these incidents. In either case (legislation or policy language change), the carrier wins since a claim of 'it wasn't me" would result in a claim be denied for all damages, even to your own vehicle.
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Sunday 26th July 2015 17:19 GMT Anonymous Coward
None of this new fangled technology, good old fashioned motoring how it used to be:
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Sunday 26th July 2015 20:43 GMT regprentice
Wow !
I've been getting emails from gmc onstar for a couple of years. Someone with the same name as me seems to have bought a gmc truck in canada and through a form filling error i have ended up getting his email. (My email address is just myname@hotmail.com)
I havent taken an interest before but looking back over the emails i've been getting this is probably the more worrying one... But they are also sending me 'onstar diagnostic reports' every month that i assume tally up milage/mpg etc...
'no-charge OnStar1 RemoteLink®2 mobile app. This ingenious app allows you to start3 your vehicle from anywhere, so it’s ready and comfortable when you arrive to it. Plus, RemoteLink can do so much more for you. Other features include remote door lock/unlock, vehicle diagnostics and navigation. '
As i have the linked email address presumably i can reset the account? I would have previously assumed that GM would be bright enough to have some security control, a bit like bluetooth pairing?, but having read this article i'm not sure they are that bright....
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Monday 27th July 2015 01:28 GMT John Brown (no body)
Re: Wow !
"This ingenious app allows you to start3 your vehicle from anywhere, so it’s ready and comfortable when you arrive to it."
I don't know about the USA or Canada, but here in blighty that feature could get someone fined since it's illegal leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running on a public highway.
Ah, a cursory Google says it's illegal in at least some US states and more are considering it.
For those who have this "feature", be careful where you use it, even if you can keep the car locked while the engine is running.
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Monday 27th July 2015 04:12 GMT Ole Juul
Re: Wow !
I don't know about the USA or Canada, but here in blighty that feature could get someone fined since it's illegal leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running on a public highway.
It's illegal in Canada and probably in most of the US as well. However, it's not typically enforced here in Canada. Also, I think we have a luxury of space on this continent. Most people park their cars in their own driveway.
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Monday 27th July 2015 14:07 GMT Anonymous Coward
onstar ? e911? EU?
if one cuts onstar down to the e911 type functionality then the EU has recently voted to make it mandatory from 2018. Your car will be able (be required?) to phone 112 in the event of a serious accident (e.g. airbags or fuel cutoff activated).
Hopefully there will also be a corresponding requirement on the emergency services to actually respond, unlike Police Scotland whose incompetence in response to reports from the public recently led to a crashed car being ignored for three days, and the occupants were not alive when police did eventually respond.
http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/ecall-all-new-cars-april-2018
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33438667
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