back to article Slander-as-a-service: Peeple app wants people to rate and review you – whether you like it or not

This could be the most odious idea the internet manages in 2015: Peeple is an app that lets people rate other people, whether they like it or not, and plans to launch in November. The Yelp-like defamation-as-a-service – someone can put you in a database that you can't be taken off, rate you 1-to-5, and comment on you as a …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I have all the social graces of a warthog, and when in high dudgeon, a passed off one at that. It may have escaped y'alls noticing but, somehow I doubt it. So if I end up on peeple I shall wear my dishonor with pride!

    1. g e

      Pah you have nothing to fear!

      Having Googled for these two women I think I know where the Arnie got the inspiration for the 'creepy grin' in Terminator Genisys.

      Maybe I'll even post that on their site under their name for whichever bimbo it is that looks like the joker.

      1. J. R. Hartley

        Re: Pah you have nothing to fear!

        Sorry, but as a pedant it is my duty to inform you that the aforementioned creepy grin originated in the director's cut of Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Apologises to all those involved.

    2. I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

      Me Twothe only problem is...

      > I shall wear my dishonour with pride!

      But I fear we will be lost in the inundation about the two pink skanks founding it.

  2. getHandle

    Wonder what will happen...

    When the CEO finds herself on there and is torn to shreds by every involuntary participant?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Wonder what will happen...

      When the CEO finds herself on there and is torn to shreds by every involuntary participant?

      I suspect you'll discover that the names of the executives get the Zuckerberg treatment: somehow, that won't be public.

      Is the pool of innovation so far dried up that people have to go for crap that can ONLY cause harm? Given that this happening in the land of the lawyers free, I give this until it turns a bit of profit before it is sued into the ground for libel, forcing it to disclose downvoter identity.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Wonder what will happen...

        "before it is sued into the ground for libel, "

        The whole USP of this appalling site is that the US has almost no protection against libel other than extremely large amounts of money.

        However, the fact remains that people will not merely be putting information on the site; they will be rating other people using methods provided by the site operators. To me that looks like an argument against common carrier.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Wonder what will happen...

          The whole USP of this appalling site is that the US has almost no protection against libel other than extremely large amounts of money.

          Good point, although I suspect that exactly the people that *have* that sort of money will appear on the site first, and I give it about 10 seconds live before this will go political. I'm willing to bet that one of the first people to appear on there will be Trump, and I want to watch that when he decides he doesn't like it - he's not exactly known for his gentle, diplomatic touch.

          That's worth prepping popcorn for, I think, but I suspect you won't be halfway through the bag before the site is a smoking hole in the data centre :).

          1. rh587

            Re: Wonder what will happen...

            "and I give it about 10 seconds live before this will go political. I'm willing to bet that one of the first people to appear on there will be Trump, and I want to watch that when he decides he doesn't like it - he's not exactly known for his gentle, diplomatic touch."

            Apparently you add people using their phone number. They get an SMS informing them they have been added and is supposed to ensure that "you can only add and rate people you know".

            Clearly the developers have never heard of doxxing. It may be 10 minutes before someone gets Trump on there rather than 10 seconds, but he'll end up there nonetheless.

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            1. Danny 14

              Re: Wonder what will happen...

              Obama, goats, party. That should get the site taken down pretty quickly. Or Putin, closet gay might get the owners shot.

              I'd advise a VPN chain to a remote browser using TOR.

      2. John Gamble

        Re: Wonder what will happen...

        Given that this happening in the land of the lawyers free, ...

        Erm... Corday and McCullough are in Calgary. Which is not in the U.S.

        I grant you there will probably be something incorporated in Delaware, the anyone-can-be-a-corporation state.

    2. Eddy Ito

      Re: Wonder what will happen...

      Don't forget the business model is selling out all the personal details of involuntary participants. If anybody ever hands my phone number to scum like this they are going to get a rather nasty phone call from me.

      I also wonder what happens if they wind up flooded with wrong numbers. Heck I just got a phone call asking for someone named Jane, what if I get a text from this vinegar and water pair letting me know that Jane was just ratted on pee-pal? What recourse does poor Jane have?

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Wonder what will happen...

        "pee-pal?"

        Oh good, I'm not the only one who read it that way!

  3. Mark 85

    And so another crock of crap gets dumped upon the world. Is this stuff invested in and promoted by lawyers? I smell the seed of lawsuits being fertilized by the BS they're shoveling.

    1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

      What lawsuits

      This is illegal in more than half of the world on basic data protection grounds, defamation law, libel law and god knows what else. It would take less than a day or two to get an injunction and a week to make it permanent to shut down a service like this in Europe on basic data protection grounds. The same goes for at least some USA states which have a basic resemblance of data protection legislation.

      It will be interesting which jurisdiction will this operate in. I do not see it working in California and New England states. They all have legislation this runs afoul of.

      1. Christoph

        Re: What lawsuits

        "but you can bet the terms and conditions will tell you the service will be covered by the laws of the State of California (or perhaps Delaware)."

        But that is irrelevant. The person who signed up to those conditions is not the person being slandered. They can put whatever they like in the T&Cs but it makes not the slightest difference to the person suing them - except maybe proving that the site as well as the user is liable.

  4. heyrick Silver badge

    Ha ha. "This video has been removed by its user". Deletion good enough for them; good enough for the rest of us.

    I'd like to see how far the "covered by the laws of X" go when this app crashes into British libel law; especially given that you don't need to accept their Ts&Cs if somebody else can add you and rate you and you aren't even a user.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @heyrick

      I think you don't understand this. It would mean they are covered by such and such law not the people making the comments.

      1. heyrick Silver badge

        Re: @heyrick

        I'll reach for a bag of popcorn; as wouldn't some jurisdictions consider their app to be the entity publishing and disseminating the content in question, regardless of who put it there?

        Another on Peeple enjoying the right to deletion: https://m.facebook.com/comment/replies/?ctoken=1052702411430776_1054608977906786&count=16&showcount=13&ft_ent_identifier=1052702411430776&gfid=AQCRXnMmugF4EZnk

    2. Dr Dan Holdsworth
      WTF?

      I wonder what happens when someone merely tries to force UK ISPs to drop this site from their DNS (or similar mostly-effective censorship method) due to libel problems?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Self-defence

    >You can respond to a nasty-gram, but Peeple won't delete stuff just because it's unbiased, unfair, or flat-out untrue.

    So a bit like the database used for DBS (CRB) checks then, or virtually any police database.

    Wouldn't be surprised if it is a state funded site, what better way to fill your boots than getting other people to do it. Now what's the name of the head of my local police force, I hear he's been a naughty boy.

    1. Stoneshop
      Trollface

      Re: Self-defence

      The way I read their T&C, your rating will be deleted if you get rated by someone you don't know.

      I foresee a lot of people not knowing who the fsck rated them negatively.

  6. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Go

    Cybersharknado soon?

    Let's do this!

  7. Roq D. Kasba

    Antisocial Media

    The next big thing.

    1. Elmer Phud

      Re: Antisocial Media

      Fuck off!

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      Re: Antisocial Media

      Antisocial Media

      The next big thing.

      In the week that Facebook announced their dislike button is finally going to happen too, you bastard.

      1. Tim Warren

        Re: Antisocial Media

        ... Antisocial network. Lol. I'm off to register www.getoutofmyfacebook.com.

    3. Turtle

      @ Roq D. Kasba Re: Antisocial Media

      All "social media" is, to some degree, "anti-social" media, only in this particular case it's rather more extensive and rather more overt than usual.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    I may be sexist....

    .... but why I'm not surprised this gossip app has been created by two women?

    And this is also a huge ad against "we need more women in tech!"

    1. Teiwaz
      Unhappy

      Re: I may be sexist....

      Certainly matches the criteria for really nasty vicious girls-school bullying and intimidation that often ends up with a suicide.

      Pretty much the worst resulting idea formulated from the nastiest teenage vendetta impulses.

      The women contemplating this are going to end up creating the kind of really damaging traumas of the like so far inflicted by the likes of revenge porn sites.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I may be sexist....

        It's OK - we've disowned them already. Members of Homo sapiens they may allegedly be, but that's no reason to smear us women with the tar that those two creatures so richly deserve.

        Their utterly anti-social creation falls firmly under the heading of 'just because you CAN do it doesn;t mean that you SHOULD'.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: I may be sexist....

          It's OK - we've disowned them already

          LOL, I always thought "defrocking" to be an entirely different event :). He did put a joke icon on it anyway, and I think we can assume that members of either sex that attend this site have at least a functional sense of humour and a liking of the absurd :).

        2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: I may be sexist....

          "Their utterly anti-social creation falls firmly under the heading of 'just because you CAN do it doesn;t mean that you SHOULD'.

          ...but since it will make us rich, fuck'em, lets DO IT!!!

          Maybe I've seen too much US TV and films, but they look like the stereo-type rich sorority girls who get everything handed to them on a plate and never, ever see any "bad stuff" because the world is just all pink and full of fluffy bunnies and pink unicorns and pink...erm...stuff. The sort who can hand out nasty put downs with a big creepy grin and then wonder why "other people" not part of "their" group get upset.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I may be sexist....

      I may be sexist....

      .... but why I'm not surprised this gossip app has been created by two women?

      That has an uncanny resemblance to the "I appreciate that this is probably horrendously politically incorrect but that is a stunning picture" statement by Alex Carter-Silk so I hope that your post won't be seen by Charlotte Proudman (she of "I will publish this private conversation because I think he is sexist" fame)...

  9. dan1980

    The way Cordray defends/justifies the service by saying that "innovators are often put down because people are scared and they don’t understand" smack of the defence that so many cranks trot out: "they laughed at Einstein". (The Wright Brothers, Columbus, Galileo, etc . . .)

    You're not "innovators" and the reason people are against your idea is not because they "don't understand"; you are taking an existing idea (ratings) and applying it to a different target (people rather than businesses) and the reason people think that's a rubbish idea is because it bloody well is.

    1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

      They laughed at the inventor of the gas mask bra as well

      Not really relevant - I just like to laugh at the inventor of the gas mask bra.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Innovators are good when they conceive true new clever ideas that make life better. Innovating just for the sake of changing may lead to stupid or dangerous ideas. Even Jonathan Swift mocked innovators like those...

      "persons went up to Laputa [...] came back with a very little smattering in mathematics, but full of volatile spirits acquired in that airy region: that these persons, upon their return, began to dislike the management of every thing below, and fell into schemes of putting all arts, sciences, languages, and mechanics, upon a new foot."

      You'd call that "disruptive", today....

      "“That he had a very convenient mill within half a mile of his house, turned by a current from a large river, and sufficient for his own family, as well as a great number of his tenants; that about seven years ago, a club of those projectors came to him with proposals to destroy this mill, and build another on the side of that mountain, on the long ridge whereof a long canal must be cut, for a repository of water, to be conveyed up by pipes and engines to supply the mill, because the wind and air upon a height agitated the water, and thereby made it fitter for motion, and because the water, descending down a declivity, would turn the mill with half the current of a river whose course is more upon a level.” He said, “that being then not very well with the court, and pressed by many of his friends, he complied with the proposal; and after employing a hundred men for two years, the work miscarried, the projectors went off, laying the blame entirely upon him, railing at him ever since, and putting others upon the same experiment, with equal assurance of success, as well as equal disappointment.”"

      (Gulliver's Travel, Part III, Chapter IV, Balnibarbi).

    3. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      This reminds me of the DISC analysis that a corporate bullshiter consultant wanted to put everyone through. I'd not heard of that one, but it's similar to Myers Briggs, in that there's no scientific basis for it - but it's an amazing tool for sorting people into handy personality types so you can patronise them properly.

      Apparently if you retake the test a couple of days later, 50% of the time you'll get a totally different result.

      Anyway the website of the company what do it has this little blurb about why the test is great, and not at all sinister, oh no. And it says something like, if people are against this test, it's probably because they feel they've got something to hide. Nice!

      Still, at least they're just greedy and incompetent. They're not actively harmful, unlike this charming new website.

      Sometimes I think we should have special cases were lawyers are banned in disputes, and the decision is completely down to the weight of numbers on each side, and how many iron bars they happened to have brought along. The owners of the site might find themselves slightly outnumbered...

      1. Stoneshop
        Mushroom

        Lawyers

        Sometimes I think we should have special cases were lawyers are banned in disputes, and the decision is completely down to the weight of numbers on each side, and how many iron bars they happened to have brought along. The owners of the site might find themselves slightly outnumbered...

        A couple of lawyers won't make a difference regarding being outnumbered or not, but it'll be increasing the motivation on the side of the bar-wielders.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        The owners of the site might find themselves slightly outnumbered..."

        Sadly, I fear you may be mistaken if the likes of Facebook, Twitter and Mumsnet are anything to go by. Especially the denizens of Mumsnet.

  10. Sampler
    Joke

    Could be great for dating

    Well groomed, hygienic, good with hands, would date again, four stars..

    1. Dr. E. Amweaver

      Re: Could be great for dating

      "Poor hygiene and strange smells in downstairs area, would not eat there again"

      --me, reviewing local Jamie's Italian.

      What?

      1. Danny 14

        Re: Could be great for dating

        Nipped out for kebab half way through, passed out drunk. But had Guinness in fridge so 2 stars.

  11. JimmyPage Silver badge
    FAIL

    "Peeple"

    why did I immediate think of "Menshn" ?

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Anonymous...

    ...will be waiting, I'm sure...

  13. Pen-y-gors

    "This could be the most odious idea the internet manages in 2015"

    Nah, there's three whole months still to go. I'm sure some smartarse will manage to go further. Rate-my-scabs.com? review-my-mastectomy-scars.com? laugh-at-a-cripple.com?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "This could be the most odious idea the internet manages in 2015"

      "laugh-at-a-cripple.com?"

      Considering how much television nowadays is the equivalent of just that - though mainly with intellectually or emotionally disabled people - it isn't much of a stretch.

      Our ancestors visited Bedlam to laugh at the lunatics, we have Big Brother and its many, many offspring.

      1. Turtle

        @Arnaut the less re: "Laugh-At-A-Cripple.com"

        "laugh-at-a-cripple.com"

        Maybe I'm naive, but I actually tried to log on to that site. Turns out, very surprisingly, that it doesn't exist. Color me gobsmacked.

        Well here's the cripples - emotional cripples, at any rate - that I'm laughing at: McCullough and Cordray. I hope this follows them around for the rest of their lives. Because it really says something about them as people, or as they might prefer to have it, peeple.

  14. VinceH
    Facepalm

    I note from the Washington Post article that if someone doesn't sign up for Peeple, only positive reviews will appear for them - which sounds like the developers have tried (and failed) to address the obvious objection.

    The reason they've failed to address the problem is because like everybody that is publishing personal details online, they are undoubtedly 100% confident that their servers are entirely secure and will never be prised open and the contents spewed out for everyone to see, including those negative reviews that haven't appeared on the system - and they will continue to be 100% confident of that... until it happens. (At which point, it will only have "affected a small number of people")

    Another problem: They're using people's mobile phone numbers as a means to ensure a "reviewer" knows the person they're talking about (and presumably the same for anyone checking out the reviews - else how does someone distinguish between John Smith, John Smith, John Smith, and John Smith?)

    Which is great... unless it's bloody easy for random people to get your mobile number, which for some of us it (necessarily) is.

    The idiocy is strong in this one.

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