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It's still not an alien megastructure, but the strangely-dimming sun known as Tabby's Star isn't being occasionally occluded by comets. KIC 8462852, to use its formal designation, gave UFO-spotters a veritable hypegasm last year, because the odd fluctuations in its brightness were hard to explain. When Penn State University …

  1. VeganVegan
    Mushroom

    Planets

    destroyed by a deathstar a hundred or years ago? (That qualifies as a long, long time ago to me, and it's certainly far enough away).

    1. Neoc
      Headmaster

      Re: Planets

      @VeganVegan:

      Tsk. It's "a long time ago" (singular adjective) "in a galaxy far, far away" (doubled adjective).

      And even then, it specifies a galaxy different to our own...

    2. druck Silver badge
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      Re: Planets

      Not only is the quote incorrect, but the name is not just singly, but doubly offensive to all the right thinking bacon munchers who frequent this site.

      1. D@v3

        How can you tell if someone is a vegan?

        They'll tell you...

  2. Captain DaFt

    A theory

    a Jupiter-like world in a decaying orbit becomes hot enough a hundred years ago to start losing gas rapidly, hence the overall long term dimming since then.

    As the gas forms into clouds orbiting the sun they, plus what's left of the unfortunate planet, cause the "blinking" effect we see now.

    Possible? Unlikely? Bueller?

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: A theory

      IIRC gas was ruled out by the original paper.

      1. Grikath

        Re: A theory

        Given that we're looking "edge-on" for this system, anything not a gas would be applicable. Which is, in fact, quite a lot without having to resort to science fantasy. Could be as simple as an asteroid belt with density variation caused by orbital bodies we can't see/detect.

        F-type means the star is hotter than our sun, and as such has a shorter lifetime. Which also implies it's a tad younger, and could well be in the formative stage when it comes to the rest of the Bits Around It™.

        Besides that.. If a species has the intelligence and technology of building something on that scale, you'd expect them to choose a location that's much more likely to be stable and well-behaved, such as a smallish G-type, or lower. If you're essentially building for a good part of eternity, using up the resources that can only be supplied by the sum total of several other solar systems ( and all that implies) , you really would aim for something powering it that stays stable for a good number of billions of years. Which an F-type most certainly isn't.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: A theory

          The idea that they would reject an F type star due to its short lifetime seems pretty unlikely to me. You have to take a longer term view than humanity to build a structure around a star, but you don't need to think in terms of billions of years to do it!

          Also, isn't the most likely place to build it around your OWN star? After all, Earth is where we keep most of our stuff. Home is where you always build your first megastructure. Later if you go looking for new sites I'd argue you'd build around very young shorter-lived hot stars - no life to worry about disrupting, and the hotter the better in terms of how much energy it provides you to build your fleets of berzerker robots, computers to answer the ultimate question or whatever it is super-advanced civilizations do with their free time.

        2. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

          Re: A theory

          F-type means the star is hotter than our sun

          That's right, but it could be anything from hypergiant to dwarf star. We need more info about this "K" baby.

    2. Youngone Silver badge

      Re: A theory

      Possible? Unlikely? Bueller?

      Don't care, awesome theory. I'm going with this even if the evidence proves otherwise.

  3. Mark 85

    Any theory sounds good on this except maybe: 'someone playing with the light switch'. It is intriguing and more so with evidence going back to the 1800's...

  4. Mikel

    Really big dust cloud intervening

    Dusty brown dwarf binary / trinary closer by?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Really big dust cloud intervening

      or Bok globules, maybe?

  5. Winkypop Silver badge
    Alien

    Space unicorns!

    C'mon, you can't rule them out just yet!

  6. Zog_but_not_the_first
    Terminator

    Building a Dyson sphere?

    {sharp intake of breath} "You've 'ad the cowboys in 'ere 'aven't you?"

  7. The Infamous Grouse
    Alien

    We're seeing the construction of the Dyson Alpha force field generators. The Enclosure will be next. Best get Dudley Bose on the case, although I suspect things won't end well for him in the long run.

    1. Voland's right hand Silver badge
      Alien

      Too slow for that

      That took days, not years. In any case, you are talking too much. A StarFlyer agent will pay you a visit shortly.

  8. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Alien

    fast-track engineering for anyone to encircle a star in just 100 years

    There is a galactic IKEA just 2 parsec away

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They IoT'd their sun so they could dim it when it got too bright, and the variability is a bunch of teenagers from a neighbouring system buggering about with the settings because they can.

  10. Lapun Mankimasta

    Slartibartfast and Zaphod Beeblebrox playing snooker with planets?

    Aliens mining a superjovian for materials sufficient to build a Dyson sphere by dropping it into a close-enough orbit that it boils itself to pieces?

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    We'll have it done by next Thursday

    It'd also be an impressive example of fast-track engineering for anyone to encircle a star in just 100 years.

    The thing about building a star-encircling megastructure, is that it requires a civilisation capable of building a star-encircling megastructure. That's already so far beyond our capabilities or understanding that estimating or presuming feasible time-scales seems a pretty futile exercise.

    1. Kane
      Alien

      Re: We'll have it done by next Thursday

      "The thing about building a star-encircling megastructure, is that it requires a civilisation capable of building a star-encircling megastructure."

      So, what you're saying is that until you've tried to build a star-encircling megastructure, you won't know if you can build a star-encircling megastructure?

    2. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: We'll have it done by next Thursday

      Can I point out the data only starts in 1890. This paper doesn't tell us what was happening before that. So it's possible the star has been dimming for centuries.

      1. Fibbles

        Re: We'll have it done by next Thursday

        I have nothing to add. I just wanted to randomly bold some words.

  12. Christoph

    Kessler Syndrome

    They did have structures circling the star, but after a meteor got one they had a chain of collisions.

  13. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge

    I was wondering whether the star was moving into a dust field (much like the Pleiades are moving through right now). However, that should show up in IR quite readily, I would think, so that cannot be correct

  14. Big_Ted
    Alien

    Its the latest deathstar

    They're building it in this Galaxy ready for a return attack and its in a slow orbit, Its taking a long time as its going to double up as a star ship carrier and base.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I suspect it's Vogons doing what they do best (hint: It's not poetry).

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's the armada of ships that left there a 100 years ago (our time) heading this way...

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    100 years doesn't seem unreasonable to built a megastructure

    They would be building it in an automated fashion, and probably the first step would be having the machines that do the asteroid mining/processing and those that do the construction self-replicate. There would be some optimal amount of time for that self replication to proceed to minimize the total construction time, which would imply that once things got going on the construction of the actual Dyson ring/sphere it would move very quickly.

    It is too bad that IR ruled out the megastructures. Though there's something about that explanation that bothers me. Something appears to be blocking the light from the star. Anything that does so, is absorbing a lot of energy that must be radiated as IR. The only way it doesn't is if it is so thick the energy hasn't reached the 'outside' yet or if it is using physics we don't yet understand.

    What can block such a large percentage of light from a star but not radiate IR? It would have to be a perfectly reflective mirror...not sure if physics says such a thing is impossible or not, or what the purpose would be for building one.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge
      Alert

      Re: 100 years doesn't seem unreasonable to built a megastructure

      It's a paperclip-making AI gone on the rampage.

      https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer

  18. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
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    An outstanding entry in your arxiv paper download

    Many wonderful treasures are saved in the Harvard plates, but the reality is that the current generation of astronomers are mostly unaware of their existence. J. Grindlay has started and lead the work to completely digitize all ≈500,000 plates (Grindlay et al. 2012; Tang et al. 2013). His program is called Digital Access to a Sky Century @ Harvard (DASCH) . The products are top-quality digitization for each plate (plus the envelope, plate markings, and logbook entry), plus fully-calibrated magnitudes for each stellar image on the plate. Currently, DASCH has completed only ≈15% of the Harvard archives, and this includes all the plates covering the original Cygnus/Lyra Kepler field.

  19. Anonymous Coward
  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Dark matter comets?

    Just possible, could explain the weird spectral features.

    Perhaps some fluke cosmic event caused it to cluster in this one system.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Re: Dark matter comets?

      Dark matter comets. Ejected from gammay-ray bursting white holes!

  21. ukgnome

    It is just as likely

    That the shimmer is a result on the JMC mining ship passing past

    AKA the small rouge one

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