back to article MP wants to stitch 'digital' misuse laws into one bill

An MP has urged the government to consolidate the current 31 pieces of legislation touching on the misuse of digital devices into a single bill in order to tackle the growing number offences. Liz Saville Roberts, Plaid Cymru MP, brought the Criminal Offences (Misuse of Digital Technologies and Services) (Consolidation) private …

  1. John Bailey

    Ahh yes..

    Lets simplify.. cos no way scope creep evar happens.

  2. Wommit

    Yeah, put everything into one statute so the plods can ignore them as well as all the other small crimes that they don't bother with.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "without legitimate reason"

    That'll be clear then.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Has anyone got that Tony the Tiger cartoon image?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    In my safe space

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U

  6. adnim

    Medium rare

    "Police experts state that there are as many as 7 million online frauds a year and 3 million other online crimes. Very many of these go unreported,"

    I am pretty sure that trees do indeed fall over in woodland and actually make a noise when no one is around to hear. However, citing figures for unreported crime requires the services of a psychic someone with an agenda and an imagination.

    A crime is a crime regardless of method/means... fraud is fraud, libel is libel, unauthorised access is trespass/breaking entering. etc., etc.

    1. Vimes

      Re: Medium rare

      Just be thankful that the former chief constable of Avon and Somerset police is no longer around. He doesn't just reject claims if you're unwise enough to make them, he'll laugh in your face too it seems.

      https://nodpi.org/2013/11/27/one-last-protest-avon-and-somerset-pcc-police-public-forum/

      Note how he apparently claimed that intercepting communications was 'not a crime'. My own inquiries into it lead to a letter from the home office telling me that any allegations ought to be taken to the police (which appears to directly contradict what Nick Gargan was saying). Although to me this is a complete waste of time and an exercise in futility since they seem to ignore such complaints as a matter of course.

      And the less said about BT/Phorm, Vodafone/Bluecoat and Three/Bluecoat the better. Thames Valley Police aren't much better either it seems.

  7. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Meh

    Interesting

    How does the good MP think this will help with all those foreign based scams - something that is surely of far more concern that somebody being badmouthed online.

    Unlike a real physical bully, the {choke} cyber {cough} ones can simply be switched off.

    1. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: Interesting

      Much as I'm loath to defend them, why would you expect this bill to cover foreign scams? For starters, this is a law covering other things. It covers similar ground sure, but separate offences.

      Secondly, how are UK laws supposed to do anything against crimes that are committed in other countries? About the only possible response would be to penalise any UK companies that profit from such scams, but that's unlikely to be a large part of the problem.

      As for 'switching off' bullies, do you think that getting rid of your phone and never going online again is really a solution in this day and age?

  8. Peter Prof Fox

    Will it be an offence if...

    I post a video of somebody harassing me without their permission.

    If I take a photograph of a painting of somebody harassing me?

    We don't have one assault law for knives, another for guns, another for running with scissors. The 'digitality' of a crime is just the means of the crime. (Of course there are crimes specific to the interception of all communications which the Government want to reserve for themselves.)

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    ... or that cause distress or anxiety

    I'm sure that Greville Janner & co would support this measure if they were still amongst us.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nanny State

    Honestly, they're just sucking the fun out of the internet

  11. inmypjs Silver badge

    So can I

    have the bitch prosecuted because the message in the bill she posted sure makes me feel anxious?

    1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

      Re: So can I

      No.

      You forgot to stick 5 occurrences of digital into your sentence.

      Do so and it may end up in the bill remit.

    2. Elmer Phud

      Re: So can I

      you get a downvote due to totally pointless use of 'bitch'.

      1. inmypjs Silver badge

        Re: So can I

        "pointless use of 'bitch'"

        Should I have further qualified it with stupid? If she had been a bloke I would have called her a wanker.

        When it comes to describing politicians I have no polite vocabulary.

  12. Cynic_999

    Erm ...

    "

    "Posting images without the subject’s permission and the posting of messages that are discriminatory or threatening, or that cause distress or anxiety, would become offences,"

    "

    If that law were to be passed it would criminalize a large proportion of images and written reports that are posted by online newspapers. I am quite certain that quite a few people are caused "distress or anxiety" when their misdeeds are published.

    Putting a photo of you on the beach or at a football match on Facebook would make you guilty of breaking that law unless you obtain permission from everyone else in the crowd who appears in the photograph.

    Drafting a practical law is not nearly as simple as that police officer (or politicians) believe it is.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Erm ...

      That is essentially the law in France. In theory you need the written permission of everyone in Paris if you take a photo from the top of the Eiffel tower.

      Since that would be ridiculous - it is only actually enforced for pictures of politicians doing anything naughty.

  13. Old Handle

    What does "make it a clear offence repeatedly" mean?

    Anyway, the part about consolidating crimes in one bill may not be a bad idea, but the new offenses it creates are way too broad. In fact, if I lived in the UK I would go so far as to say they are distressing and a source of anxiety. But I suppose the people who wrote it are protected from ex post facto prosecution under their new law even if it passes.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The bill proposes to make it a clear offence repeatedly to locate, listen to or watch an individual by means of digital technology without legitimate reason.

    Can someone arrest Theresa May if the IPB and this pass?

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Not believing that Ms May is always right is a legitimate reason ...

  15. Bob Rocket

    Timing is everything

    The bill has no chance of passing but the Welsh Assembly elections are coming up and this gets her party name into the local papers.

    Plaid Cymru - The Party of Wales (socialist nationalists)

    1. Elmer Phud

      Re: Timing is everything

      I had wondered why.

      I also wonder why these people come up with totally unresearched 'facts' that are stringed together in a poor attempt to connect them.

      But then, this is politics, and real life rarely impinges upon it.

  16. billse10

    "Posting images without the subject’s permission"

    that's the "ten most wanted" list banned, then ..... and Crimewatch taken off the air ...

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Although its a fair tactic for an MP as one of the few key powers they have , the real problem is the police not moving budgets and training unless forced by new legislation.

    Anything illegal is still illegal, doing it 'digital' doesn't change much. Transparent management priorities would ameliorate the need to add to the regulatory agenda and at the very least mean we had a much better idea of any legal gaps that do exist.

    Waiting for regulation of course means there will be a negotiation about needing new budgets.

  18. EnviableOne
    Stop

    Bills bills and more bills, we got an act for that

    Sureley all thats needed is to update the 1990 Computer Misuse Act which in computing terms is state of the Ark by now.

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