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ON-CALL Welcome again to On-Call, our end-of-week waltz through readers' memories of odd jobs they've been asked to do. This week, reader “Jackson” shared the story of his time working for a very large and old three-letter-company, where he was part of a ““IT service consolidation” project that meant his client's employees …

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  1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken
    Pint

    Sometimes I don't like my job very much, but at least nobody is shooting at me. Perspective and all that... Anyway, thanks for the story - have a nice weekend everybody!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      BS

      The story is pure BS. The last thing anyone in the middle of a firefight is going to do is call halfway around the world to try to get a warranty serviced.

      1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

        Re: BS

        Actually, they have. I was personally present for one such call from a joint EOD (explosive Ordinance Disposal) team member who was having computer problems while attempting to disarm an IED.

        As the IASO for their network, I helped out with part of his issue, as I had blocked that terminal, as it was infected with malware and shooting data to China as quickly as it was shooting data to the DoD.

        I unblocked it, killed the malware, reinitialized all network services and he was back in business - while he was under fire.

        We also decided that we needed to fine tune procedures for infected computers that were downrange, on the other end of a satellite fly away kit.

        Brought back some memories though, I have hearing loss from an IED explosion, so taking care of those guys had a special priority to me.

        1. Danny 14

          Re: BS

          As a former serving infantry grunt (first gulf & bosnia only, QRL recce 102striker commander) I can assure you that gunfire and large calibre guns going off is fairly normal and the sound does carry over flat areas. You get immune to noises quite quickly as you realise that life goes on, you are no longer on duty and you need to deal with your normal every day things. Unless you are under contact (in which case the only people you are talking/listening to is your platoon net on your left ear and company net on your right ear) then believe you me you start to do things people wouldn't believe - because you only have 4 hours off and need sleep too.

          Ive seen church masses taking place in the open whilst arty is firing away in the background, people playing basketball whilst mortars land 1km away, ive slept in countless places with allsorts happening (I did call home once to assure the girlfriend I wasn't dead but it only made things worse as SHE thought the "normal" noise in the background was worse than it was). So whilst the geezer on the line might not have ACTUALLY been under contact, it isn't surprising that to an average joe listening to the sounds of an active zone might think they were.

        2. Marvin O'Gravel Balloon Face

          Re: BS

          @Wzrd1

          I'm sure I saw this on the I.T Crowd.

          Moss: What operating system is it running?

          Bomb Disposal guy: Erm.. Vista, I think.

          Moss: We're going to die!!

  2. chivo243 Silver badge
    Joke

    Act of Allah

    Priceless! That is a sense of humor! Give this guy the Purple Cheek, extreme humor in combat!

    1. regadpellagru

      Re: Act of Allah

      The " should still be under warranty" part is also very funny.

      Which company covers gunfire under warranty ?

      1. Mayhem

        Re: Act of Allah

        Taking tongue briefly out of cheek, I'd say Dell, Panasonic and Getac would ... they make the super heavy duty laptops for military and far off the beaten track use.

        You'd probably still need to spring for the very special extended warranty though, I'd expect the extra price you pay would cover the costs of a complete replacement of the laptop in 1-2 years.

        1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

          Re: Act of Allah

          We were issued Panasonic Toughbooks. I have my old one sitting next to me right now, as they couldn't find its asset tag in the database when we were upgrading and I was told to just take it home with me, an old CF-29.

          1. Danny 14

            Re: Act of Allah

            We have "accidental damage" on our DELL kit here at work. It doesn't seem to mention being blown up, only that "total loss" is covered once per year.

      2. Ralph the Wonder Llama
        Happy

        Re: Act of Allah

        I(C)BM?

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Act of Allah

        "Which company covers gunfire under warranty ?"

        Colt? Smith & Wesson? Ruger? Walther?

        Otherwise surely you'd have a claim under trades descriptions ... and this sounds like the perfect environment to send a "no win no fee" lawyer, in person of course ...

    2. Antron Argaiv Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Act of Allah

      [Snicker]

      God is Great!

      // but even He won't go up against the beancounters

  3. hplasm
    Happy

    The user was unnamed...

    A Mr Stark, would have been priceless.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Joke

      Re: The user was unnamed...

      Don't you mean : Mr Tony Stank ?

  4. Joe Werner Silver badge
    Pint

    Have a beer!

    ... all those who work under more difficult conditions than me...

    I have no long term job prospect, actually must leave my current workplace after 4 years max due to labour laws, live in a different country than my wife and kid, but at least nobody is blowing up my computers or tools or shooting at me.

    1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: Have a beer!

      Heh, after retiring from the US Army, I took a contracting job with the US DoD in Qatar.

      A place where pretty much nothing happens. One day, while waiting my turn in the line to security vehicle search, I heard a dozen shots ring out and a very familiar whizzing sound of a tumbling round, which passed between my chest and steering wheel, to impact the passenger side floor.

      Apparently, someone had recently purchased a handgun at the new gun shop in the mall, which had opened earlier that month and decided to fire at the desert from the industrial area.

      Needless to say, I rapidly exited my vehicle, placed one of the concrete barriers between me and the incoming random fire and waited for him to run out of ammunition, which was rather quickly, reported the incident to security, who notified host nation, who then sent some agents to have a little chat with the gentleman. He was quite taken aback, as he didn't realize that he was firing in the direction of a military installation and that anyone was around where the rounds were landing.

      No damage was done, it was at maximum range for a handgun and the worst that I've had gotten had the round hit me was a minor bruise.

      And here, I thought I was done taking incoming rounds after I had retired.

      Oh well, now I'm back to a much more dangerous place, the US, where the chances of getting shot are much, much higher.

  5. Known Hero
    Thumb Up

    sceptic

    I'm afraid I'm going to have to hear that one before I believe it, Otherwise enjoyed reading it none the less.

    Worthy of a Friday story :)

    1. d3vy

      Re: sceptic

      I agree, Im sure I saw a scene in a movie that was very similar where the guy was sitting next to a TV playing a war film whilst on the phone to a call centre trying to convince them he was in a war zone.

      1. Alien8n

        Re: sceptic

        I once had a job interview at a satellite systems company in London. The interviewer explained I wasn't getting the job due to being married and having children. Something to do with the high probability of having to catch the last flight out of a country under gunfire (this had happened to the guy interviewing me, where they'd had to crash through the fence of the airport to get to the plane that was about to take off while being shot at by a rebel army).

        The job was installing satellite communications into war zones for news teams.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: sceptic

          "The interviewer explained I wasn't getting the job due to being married and having children."

          I'm surprised you even reached the interview stage. Is marital status and maybe mention of having children (hobbies, interests, other stuff about you) not a standard part of a CV these days?

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: sceptic

            Hey, downvoter, are you saying you *don't* put that info in a CV these days?

          2. Alien8n

            Re: sceptic

            @John Brown I had a friend who already worked there so the interview wasn't quite as formal as you might expect. It was actually held in the bar of the health club opposite the offices.

        2. Rich 11

          Re: sceptic

          The job was installing satellite communications into war zones for news teams.

          If the news teams don't already know that the rebels are so close that it's too late to be worrying about installing satellite communications, you'd probably be better off declining the job anyway.

        3. Wzrd1 Silver badge

          Re: sceptic

          I recall having a conference call interrupted once, apparently, staff meetings cease when Bagram AFB comes under attack.

          Fortunately, none of our contractors were injured.

          We did lose one man in Iraq, a rocket hit the trailer he was working in.

      2. DropBear

        Re: sceptic

        " the guy was sitting next to a TV playing a war film"

        Would that really work though given that the address to send the replacement laptop would completely give away the game...? Unless you're sitting next to a TV playing a war film IN a war zone, in which case I'd say you've earned it anyway...

  6. Alan W. Rateliff, II
    Pint

    And you thought your day was crap

    Never had my stuff blown up by an insurgency, either. Even the most mind-blowing exception to my daily routine pales in comparison, so absolutely raising a glass to my brethren in these hell-holes: you are far better men than I.

    Now, someone out there has this recording. I suspect this someone reads The Reg. I suspect even further this someone can accidentally leak this recording... for the benefit of the entire IT world.

    Lastly, if anyone will double-check their accidental damage coverage and other property insurance I am certain you will find these all exclude damages and losses caused by civil uprising. While not a war zone, anyone caught up in riots or protests-run-amok will find anything damaged or destroyed is going to be out-of-pocket.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And you thought your day was crap

      "While not a war zone, anyone caught up in riots or protests-run-amok will find anything damaged or destroyed is going to be out-of-pocket."

      Yup, riots, etc, are generally excluded from insurance policies. In the UK, the police have a duty to prevent riots, and thus the damage to buildings & contents are treated as a claim against them under the the Riot (Damages) Act 1886.

      1. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

        For insurance purposes...

        A number of things that would be considered wars have been classified otherwise for insurance purposes. The Malayan Emergency was called such, rather than the war which it actually was, because of the large number of British civilan interests which were damaged. Lloyds of London won't pay out if your farm is destroyed by war, but it will if it is damaged by an emergency.

        I suspect that this is why the Falklands "conflict" was monickered the way that it was in the early stages, while the initial local damage was being inflicted on the civilian population.

        1. Mark Allen

          Re: For insurance purposes...

          IIRC it was "The Falklands Conflict" because a "War" would have officially forced a response from NATO based on NATOs own rules. I don't think that NATO, especially the US, were too keen to get involved with the politics of it all.

          1. Rich 11

            Re: For insurance purposes...

            I don't think that NATO, especially the US, were too keen to get involved with the politics of it all.

            Either way, it didn't stop the fucking French from selling Exocets until it was too late.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: For insurance purposes...

              Not quite true. The French sold 5 Exocet missiles to Argentine BEFORE the conflict started. France cooperated with Great Britain after the conflict started to prevent Argentine acquiring more Exocets on the international arms markets and providing info on arms sold to Argentine. On the negative side a French technical team in Argentine debugged faulty Exocet launchers.

              For more info see http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17256975

              BTW the last sentence, in the above mentioned piece, coming from an Englishman, is rather ironical.

              Kettle and pot come to mind.

              1. x 7

                Re: For insurance purposes...

                theres a bit more than that........besides the handful of air-launched Exoceta, the Argies also had a number of ship-launched ones. After the Belgrano sinking, the Argentine Navy more or less refused to play, so some of their Exocets were flown to Stanley, where the French team mounted them on the backs of trucks. At least one attacked and hit a British vessel off Port Stanley, though with limited damage

    2. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: And you thought your day was crap

      As I've told my guys, back when I was wearing that military uniform, "Don't worry, our mutual rich and retarded Uncle has plenty more, warehouses full", when equipment was destroyed by enemy action.

      Sure enough, a replacement showed up quite quickly and the asset written off as a constructive loss.

  7. magickmark
    Pint

    All respect to the guys in the front line and the humour expressed whilst still in combat and the response given by the support guys.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      ..guys in the front line..

      [rant]

      It is not the front line the guy on the call was protecting. And that makes it a greater service to the humankind.

      And no guarantee or warranty he is expecting of his own life..even greater one.

      [/rant]

      1. solo

        Re: ..guys in the front line..

        "There’s no front lines here (in Iraq). This is urban combat and we’re taking the war to children and women and innocents.": Ethan McCord, US Army

        https://www.wired.com/2010/04/2007-iraq-apache-attack-as-seen-from-the-ground/

        Just for the record.

  8. Dan McIntyre

    What a story! Loved it.

  9. Sgt_Oddball
    Joke

    Was the war zone not interesting enough?

    I dunno, support people I'd call first would have been a different type of support role.... like being airborne for example..

    I'd at least wait until I wasn't being shot at before settling down to sort the warranty.

    Must have really, really needed to make a new powerpoint presentation. </sarcasm>

    1. NotBob

      Re: Was the war zone not interesting enough?

      Ah yes, the old maxim 4: Close air support covereth a multitude of sins...

      Of course, maxim 25 also seems to be in play. If a manufacturer's warranty covers the damage you do, you didn't do enough damage

    2. SoaG

      Re: Death by power point

      Certainly an efficient way to win a war, but seems like a violation of the Geneva convention.

  10. Mr Dogshit
    Headmaster

    It's not "Help Desk"

    It's "Service Desk" according to ITIL®

    1. TitterYeNot
      Coat

      Re: It's not "Help Desk"

      "It's "Service Desk" according to ITIL®"

      I think you'll find it's "Helldesk", it says so on page 33 paragraph 7 of the industry standard tome 'The BOFH Manual - A Guide to Helping LUsers Lose The Will To Live'...

    2. Spanners Silver badge
      Alert

      Re: It's not "Help Desk"

      I've done ITIL. Whatever we call it, users call it "Help Desk" and are irritated by other names.

      Who thinks "HR" is better than Personnel used to be?

      Nobody rings 666, or whatever, to be serviced. They want help. As for what help the caller wanted, I suspect it was somewhere between the entire Brigade of Ghurkas and perhaps 100 Tornados.

      1. Chris King

        Re: It's not "Help Desk"

        I've done ITIL. Whatever we call it, users call it "Help Desk" and are irritated by other names.

        Call it Service Desk, call it Advisory, slap a fancy title on it, it's still the Help Desk to the end user, because they want "Help", not "Service".

        I once got my wrists slapped for asking if that was "service" in the way that bulls "service" cows.

        Maybe they took exception because someone posted a picture of bovine-on-bovine action into the e-mail thread, I don't know...

    3. hplasm
      Devil

      Re: It's not "Help Desk"

      It's not "ITIL"

      It's PHB Wank.

    4. elmondoh

      Re: It's not "Help Desk"

      Well, on that day, it was obviously the "WTF?" desk. :)

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    hp

    Many moons ago, we took out the optional "Accidental Damage Protection" for HP laptops. I am not entirely sure it this scenario would be covered, but I did get a replacement once for someone who actually drove over his own laptop. The cost for 3 years coverage was about 25% to 30% of the cost of the laptop. The second case where I needed it was less spectacular (user spilled water on laptop keyboard and decided to apply a hair dryer in close proximity to said plastic keyboard).

    1. Known Hero

      Re: hp

      a laptop being shot and and exploded isn't accidental, so they would have a good argument that the damage was intentional, you could claim it under the combatants household insurance however :D

      1. The First Dave

        Re: hp

        I'm pretty sure that the laptop owner didn't intend to be shot at, let alone have his vehicle blown up, with or without laptop inside.

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