back to article £8 BILLION is locked into UK.gov's failing IT schemes, El Reg analysis reveals

The UK government has £8bn locked into IT contracts which are at high risk of failure, according to an analysis of the Infrastructure Project Authority's accounts by The Register. Of 143 major projects representing £405bn of government spending, The Register identified 19 IT projects that were flagged as “red” or “amber/red” …

  1. ecofeco Silver badge

    8 billion?

    8 billion and failing.

    Is there at least lube?

  2. N2

    Meanwhile

    The tills at 'The Ivy' or 'The Riverside Cafe' et all are ringing merrily

  3. John Crisp

    Puts the "£350 million" into some context.....

    1. codejunky Silver badge

      @ John Crisp

      No kidding. Add that to the waste and the EU kept asking for more, even during the recession!

  4. Teiwaz

    Damn, beaten to it.

    Came here to post a sarky...

    "Thank god we're leaving the EU, that 8 billion can now be pumped into the NHS."

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: Thank god we're leaving the EU

      Not so fast : you just voted to leave.

      The actual leaving will be decided on by your admirable government, the ifs and when being totally out of your control.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    More shared services screw ups

    Shared services are a sensible idea when you've got transactional repetitive tasks that you want to be done well, but also realise economies of scale - stuff like non-specialist procurement, payroll, accounting, payables and receivables, basic HR administration. Done well they can actually be a real assistance to the operations they support, and they should be relatively cheap to implement. I know I've been part of the management team of a successful shared services operation for a large company.

    Sadly, whenever you see the words "shared services" in connection with the public sector, you know that a complete screw up is unfolding, involving expensive and ineffective contractors, waste on IT systems that don't work, user dissatisfaction (though we generally don't hear much of that, users have to suffer in silence).

  6. Chris G

    Kerching!

    Between the MoJ, the Home Office and the IT spends of the various police forces, it might be cheaper to just let the criminals geton with it and pay compensation.

    Curious though as to how many of these providers who are not providing, have 'interesting' connections to whoever hands out the contracts.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Kerching!

      " it might be cheaper to just let the criminals geton with it and pay compensation."

      Don't be silly. That'd need a new system.

  7. tiesx150

    I have some questions.....

    Having never worked directly for Govmt bodies (by choice) i assume at some point in the past they did all their 'computa tech stuffs' inhouse?

    Why was it all originally outsourced? Was cost the primary reason? Is it still cheaper ? Did they have monumental fails before it was outsourced?

    Do they even give a shit?

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: I have some questions.....

      Private sector efficiency! Private contractors are cheaper, faster, better because, uh... because! It must be true, they all said so themselves!

      1. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: I have some questions.....

        "...and they are people I've known for years. They wouldn't lie to me."

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I have some questions.....

      I used to work in IT in a Gov dept back in the 90's and they used to have various little IT depts dotted around the country who would come in, size up the situation. An exterior audit term would gather specs on what was needed. Then another dept would build the system. Finally another dept would come in to install the system , liasing with the other groups when it would obviously fail to work!

      I moved into the private sector in the mid-90s when I saw what the Gov hired IT contractors were earning, never looked back!

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Using the private sector means:

    - senior civil servants can duck responsibility for failure;

    - anything embarrassing becomes "commercial-in-confidence" and outwith the purview of the Freedom of Information Act;

    - no need for civil service to employ experts who are simply not the right sort;

    - expanded employment opportunities (for retiring senior civil servants).

    So all in all a bit of a no-brainer.

  9. Draco

    How can I get a piece of this?

    Developing software that will never be delivered ... I can do that and I won't be greedy about it either, I'll do it for 100K per software.

    But seriously, most contracts I've worked on specify deliverables as well as specifying penalties if you fail to deliver.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      Re: How can I get a piece of this?

      ...because it is quite common in the public sector for those procuring IT services to not have have the competence or motivation to specify deliverables in a way that success or failure can be sufficiently measured, so that penalties can be applied. If you don't specify SMART objectives (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_criteria ), then after inevitable failure, the cause of the car-crash can and will be disputed by the parties involved.

  10. shrdlu

    You ain't seen nothin' yet

    For brexit all of the code used by every government department will need to be reviewed and a lot will have to be modified. Don't expect any change from your hundred billion pound note.

  11. NeilPost Silver badge

    NHS 24 Debacle in Scoptland

    Don;t forget the Scottish Government's Disastrous NHS 24 Call handling and IT System, proving that the devolved assembles/governments are as inept as Westminster.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36678121

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    NHS, Police, Council

    I wonder what this number would be if NHS, Police force, Local Council IT Failings where included in the figures.

    I know of one large organisation who is paying £8m for a website and intranet which is built upon open source systems. Apparently its overdue, and chances are not suitable for use.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yet more damning proof.....

    That our government isn't even capable of running a bath.

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