back to article IBM scraps loyal staffer gifts in favour of... a congratulatory social page

Petty managerial powers-that-be at IBM have thrust forward an exceptionally mean redesign of the company's loyal employee rewards scheme - gifts are to be scrapped for a “social congratulatory page”. Big Blue insiders told us the firm will now honour three, five, 10 and 50 years service in a new and special way, though the …

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  1. FuzzyWuzzys
    Facepalm

    "I'll give you full credit!"

    This is very familar to any creative person. How many of you have read/heard this, "Wow your pictures are really good! Could I use your image(s) for free and in return I'll give you credit whenever I use the image(s)?".

    No, 'cos as much as I love attention and possible free asvertising, something tangible is far more use to me, especially hard currency when it comes time to pay the rent or repair my equipment!

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: "I'll give you full credit!"

      AKA "You're doing it for the exposure!"

      1. Gene Cash Silver badge

        Re: "I'll give you full credit!"

        Or https://twitter.com/forexposure_txt which is even sadder...

    2. Mark 85

      Re: "I'll give you full credit!"

      You got your credit. Now row faster ye scurvy dogs, the Captain wants to waterski.

  2. Hollerithevo

    Humbug and cant! Couldn't ask for a better example.

    "Now we’re re-imagining how to celebrate years of services across the world - incorporating feedback from IBM managers and employees who have asked a new approach to honour IBMer service anniversaries."

    And the faithful swarmed eagerly to get that their beloved Communist Leaders ^H^H^H^H^H their beloved Management should taker a new approach.

    Gawd almighty, I would have respected them if they had said "we want to celebrate you all as you hit anniversaries, but we want you also to have jobs, so cutting unnecessary expense is important. No more free pens. But if you want to give shout-outs on the intranet, here's a page."

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Headmaster

      Couldn't agree more, but you misspelt "cant"

      Unless that's the response from the Sydney office to IBM HQ: "Rack off, cants!"

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How to motivate your loyal employees!

    I left IBM nearly three years ago but if I had stayed I think I would have been up for the 10 year pen later this year. It is only a pen but I would have been seriously pissed off by this. To me the congratulatory page would be a clear "F-Off" from management.

    1. chivo243 Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: How to motivate your loyal employees! to Leave!

      +1 but I had to sarcastically finish your title

      This is what the next generation (Millennials?) of upper management are doing. It's pervasive. It sucks. Don't ask what I got for 15 years... back in the day it was a 13th month salary for 20.

      Tramp for obvious reasons

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: How to motivate your loyal employees! to Leave!

        Yeah Laters you OLD gits

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: How to motivate your loyal employees! to Leave!

        >This is what the next generation (Millennials?) of upper management

        Don't get me wrong I love ripping on hipster web 3.0 privacy hating millennials as much as the next guy but the problem is not one of generation but of class. Every generation pretty much is represented very badly by their 1%ers. If I had to guess its more Boomer 1%ers than Millennials behind this. Now they don't even want symbolically for anything of value to trickle down to the peons.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Windows

          Re: How to motivate your loyal employees! to Leave!

          "If I had to guess its more Boomer 1%ers than Millennials behind this. Now they don't even want symbolically for anything of value to trickle down to the peons."

          You could be right, but I think there is a certain percentage of millennials who would actually value the 5 seconds of attention far more than a pen. (A pen? What's that do? Does it have spell check and an internet connection? What the voice activation phrase?)

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: How to motivate your loyal employees! to Leave!

            Millennials are mostly locked out of management at all levels by the boomers who refuse to retire.

            This policy will have been dreamed up by some old HR person "The kid these days, the're into the Facebooks right? Let's make the reward system more like that".

            1. Denarius
              WTF?

              Re: How to motivate your loyal employees! to Leave!

              Boomers, refuse to retire ? Which one of Long Earths are you on ? Boomers are compulsory pushed fout door first unless they are 1%ers. Too expensive

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: How to motivate your loyal employees!

      Oh, and the irony is that the project to set up the page would probably cost more than all the pens for several years.

  4. Justicesays
    Devil

    Seems like a good idea

    so long as the Executive Elite are also rewarded with a social media congratulations page and a modest lunch after 25 years instead of $millions in stock options for their "loyalty" after 3...

    They really are diving for the bottom.

    And a Montblanc pen? Not for a while I'm thinking, a Waterman ballpoint worth at most £50 is what the 10 years staff are missing out on now..and that was ruined by having "IBM" scribed on it!

    1. Vometia Munro Silver badge

      Re: Seems like a good idea

      Dunno how that compares to the silver Caran d'Ache pen I got for my 10 years at DEC, which is kinda nice except needing the occasional polish (not that I can complain especially convincingly as most of my jewellery is also of the high-maintenance silver variety) although by that time I was probably lucky to get anything as it seems most people were on their way out, whether or not by choice. And 20 years later it seems that things at IBM are much the same. :(

  5. John70

    Loyalty at 3 & 5 years???

    They have (or had) loyalty schemes for 3 & 5 years?

    They must have 1 hell of a turnover of staff.

    Where I work it's 20, 30, 40, 50 years...

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Loyalty at 3 & 5 years???

      Where I work, we peons are lucky we still get paid. Long service award? What's one of them?

  6. Stevie

    Bah!

    So I imagine that management bonuses have been replaced by "likes" on the individuals' arsebook pages?

    Why is everyone laughing?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Very negative coverage...

    The social media option was much better than the alternatives proposed by IBM's management team:

    - a free resource action for anyone getting near the free pen milestone

    - a stick for management to beat you with when you finally die from overwork. If they burnt one end, you could even use the stick for writing. Like a pen. Sort of...

    - management delivering a steaming pile of poo to you. Apparently this couldn't be distinguished from existing daily tasks such as outsourcing or using Lotus Notes...

    Finally, in a few years when IBM it completes its destroying or outsourcing of anything vaguely IT related to everywhere else and is just a pack of accountants, will it even matter?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Meh

    I have the 10 year pens from several years ago. They're nice quality, but too heavy to carry in a jacket. Honestly, if I need a free pen, I can enquire about over 50s' life cover.

    This does seem to be part of the Millenial drive to have everything on the company equivalent of Facebook.

  9. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

    At my company it was originally 20, and then every 5 years after that.

    The company revised its policy, and we now have awards for 20 and 40 years only. This was enshrined literally days before I was due to claim my 25 year long service award. Oh well, only another 15 years before I get something now.

  10. Shadow Systems

    Crap like this isn't new.

    At a now ex-employer that I am rather glad to be rid of, they decided to cut costs & save money by replacing the individualized "Employee of the Month" award desk plaques with a single, generic (no name on it), clear plastic "crystal" statue-like thing reminescent of something dreamed up by a Hollywood douchebag. So instead of getting a nice personalized plaque you could be proud of & display forever, now they just shuffled the same generic award from desk to desk; once it wasn't there anymore you had nothing to show for your efforts.

    I had worked there for over a year, 10 & 12 hour days working my ass off, doing what I could to help clean up the utter disaster that was their paper-based "filing system" that amounted to cardboard Banker boxes filled with file folders & a "XXX - XXY" label on the box to give a hint as to it's contents, into a digital set of files (OCR scans of each folder's documents so the PDF's could be stored on the server) & then the paper copies shredded to save the *acres* of space they required. Pick a box, carry the box to the Copy Room, OCR everything in the box (hours of standing & manually feeding sheets through because the copiers didn't have sheet feeders), double checking the scans matched the originals, double check that all the scans were in their proper directories (one per file folder on the server), put the originals back in the box & mark it as Scanned, carry the box to the Manager's office so they could make sure I'd done it correctly, and back to the storage room for another box. Over & over & over again. Box after box after damned box. All in addition to my ACTUAL job duties because the bastards demanded I do *both*.

    A *year* of this crap, doing both jobs, helping my coworkers when they needed help with "anything computery", and being pretty much the bloody definition of a "Team Player". But never getting the EotM award. I could see all the votes for me & everyone else on the internal employee nominations page on the corporate intranet, we could see plain as day that I was often at the top of the pack by a wide margin, but the moment Manglement stepped in & announced the winner, it turns out to be the VP's PA. A rather busty young lady with the work ethic of a dead mongoose & the job duties Bill Clinton would be famous for making use thereof.

    When my coworkers finally complained & said they would start filing harrassment complaints on my behalf, the Manglement *FINALLY* gave me the EotM award...

    They gave it to me on Monday. They fired me on Friday, claiming I "wasn't a team player".

    My coworkers were so shocked & angry that a few threatened to leave as well if I wasn't reinstated immediately. There turned out to be a bunch of us leaving that day, certainly more than Manglement had anticipated. Evidently their resident "computer guy & all around helpful bloke" (me) was a bit TOO handy to let go, so said the folks that remained when we got together over drinks later. The "Records Project" that I had (unknowingly) been on (and the ONLY one on it) had not only stalled but hit a wall - Manglement couldn't find the files on the server & had already destroyed the originals. No originals & no digital archive meant they had nothing to show the Internal Revenue Service auditors when they came knocking, so now the company no longer does business in this State.

    IBM doing away with personal gifts as awards for years of loyal service? $ExCompany did away with even the HINT of any personal recognition with a generic EotM plaque we weren't even allowed to keep. Funny though how the VP was able to take a month long "Fact Finding Tour" of various tropical islands that year, even though they had to fire an entire department "due to a shrinking economy".

    Greedy bastards. Fuck 'em all.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: Crap like this isn't new.

      I did a short stint for IBM. I will never work for those assholes again. They are the leading, shining example of everything that is wrong with modern corporations. Followed very closely by at&t and HP.

      Starting to see a trend here? Yeah, me too.

  11. fajensen

    Hahaa - Writing it is downsourced too.

    And since it’s about personalised and social experiences, you, other colleagues, friends and family will play a big role in sharing congratulations.

    IBM is going the same way as KODAK. Hopefully, the staff can negotiate some good "eff off" payments on their way out.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: Hahaa - Writing it is downsourced too.

      Only if they get out ASAP. As in yesterday.

    2. Denarius
      Unhappy

      Re: Hahaa - Writing it is downsourced too.

      @faj,

      exit payments ? nope. exit payments were cut long ago and recently to nothing much.

  12. Chika
    Flame

    It's Bloody Minging!

    Actually I was at a certain "digital careers" thing last week where I heard an IBM ancient blurb on about how to get a job in the industry.

    So they do exist.

    Trouble was that his pitch was all about getting the right experience and qualifications to ease into life at IBM (mostly). Let me warn anybody that believes crap like that; a flexible approach to IT can save your butt on occasion but it's folk like that that insist that you are effectively scrap once you hit your mid-30s.

    IT skills crisis my arse. It's all their own creation.

  13. DrXym

    Maybe disloyalty is their plan all along

    All those loyal longtime staff are an expensive burden when the next wave of layoffs happens. Maybe they're trying to piss them off enough that some leave of their own accord. The company would save far more than the cost of a pen.

    1. Mark 85

      Re: Maybe disloyalty is their plan all along

      Bingo.. spot on. I've seen it where manglement will go out of their way to piss someone off who's been around for more than 5 years. As soon as they quit, they hire a replacement for a lot less money.

      It was happening with such frequency that the employees in the call center knew the clock was ticking from the day they started.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A company I worked for was sending its management and sales teams...

    .... to "team building" exercises in nice resorts, while "too expensive" (and highly skilled) developers were being "let go" to replace them with cheaper code monkeys, many outsourced. Only a few was asked to remain to herd the monkeys, but looking at what was happening, left anyway.

    That under a new CEO coming from IBM....

    Not surprisingly, that company went bankrupt not much later, as soon as product quality went down the sink, and customer started to send in lawyers suits instead of paid invoices...

    1. Kevin 6

      Re: A company I worked for was sending its management and sales teams...

      doesn't sound far off one non-profit place I worked years ago(and last IT job I worked)

      IT(aka me, and my supervisor) had to work grueling hours in a terrible environment on a shoestring budget to the point we were once questioned for at least 10 minutes(we also had to wait 15 minutes for them to question us, and drive over 10 miles to the main building in some of the worst rush hour traffic in the US) by the upper management when we had to go buy fuckin fan for some donated POS PC instead of letting us just go buy the fan all due to our budget being completely used up for the year. Reason it was used up because the fuckin upper management decided to order new $2k-5k designer laptops (with specs that rivaled a cheap $400 dell laptop at the time) to display their pictures from their latest management team building seminar in the swiss alps that they took with their $1000 DSLR(which also came out of IT's budget)...

      My supervisor(, and I quit a months or 2 later(he quit 2 days after me), and we found out 1, and a half years later the place went under.

      BTW I quit cause my supervisor got demoted(I was only there to help him as the pay was NOT worth the hassle) for all the issues like going over our department budget, and a pile of bad contracts his predecessor signed...

      My supervisor stayed in the field 2 more years before getting burned out, and deciding to buy a hotdog cart, and sling hot dogs for a living during the summer which from what I seen he finds more enjoyable, and rewarding then IT work.

      Ohh on another note my father who worked as a buyer at the company I currently "work"* at was fired 1 day before his 30th anniversary at the company. This was not even a week after he was told how good of a job he does, and how much he saves for the company... Company started losing $15k-25k a month due to a vendor no longer doing business with them after they heard what they pulled which is more then they paid my father in a month...

      *I use "work" as I do as little work as humanely possible(sometimes nothing for weeks), and fly under the radar of the bosses

      And US based companies wonder why there is no loyalty anymore.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: A company I worked for was sending its management and sales teams...

        "my father who worked as a buyer at the company I currently "work"* at was fired 1 day before his 30th anniversary at the company. "

        That sounds unbelievably "coincidental". Was there some particular benefit he was likely to accrue when he reached his 30th anniversary, and if so, can he sue them up the wazzoo, even in the employees-have-no-rights US?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: A company I worked for was sending its management and sales teams...

          "my father who worked as a buyer at the company I currently "work"* at was fired 1 day before his 30th anniversary at the company. "

          A large British IT company was doing a major cutting of staff - with their redundancy leaving date set for the end of the tax year. Then someone realised that one of the redundant staff would have reached his 40+ service milestone a few days after that date.

          So they arranged for him to be made redundant a few weeks later than everyone else. Not only did he get his long service award - but his redundancy pay off was set against his next year's tax - thus reducing his tax bill.

        2. Kevin 6

          Re: A company I worked for was sending its management and sales teams...

          nope

          their reasoning they sold off one part of the company(no notice, or warnings) transferred him to it 1-2 months prior to the sale along with a couple other employees from the office which were up there in their years. The new owners didn't need him as they had their own guy. Basically he walked in his office it was empty(they also accused him of stealing a Rolodex containing "company secrets" even though he had zero knowledge that this was going down...), they were called into a meeting saying in 2 days you will no longer be employees of ours, and were essentially sold off to these other guys, and from what was gathered the new owners told the old to fire him as part of the sale. It was as shady as shady could be which suits the companies owner to the letter.

          The day or so before the 30th anniversary of employment was just pure coincidence, but still slimy as hell.

          It also set a new precedence in the entire company lowering work morale to bare bottom as no one even expects to have a job day to day anymore(which also lowered productivity, and increased theft) with how they were shown to work.

        3. ecofeco Silver badge

          Re: A company I worked for was sending its management and sales teams...

          That sounds unbelievably "coincidental".

          Unbelievable? That's pretty SOP in the U.S. I've seen it literally thousands of times. Intel is laying off mostly older workers in Portland Oregon right now. (search news) Yes, they are talking about age discrimination lawsuits.

          But it's kind of hard to hire a lawyer when you don't have a job.

      2. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: A company I worked for was sending its management and sales teams...

        And US based companies wonder why there is no loyalty anymore.

        They never wondered. They just don't care. Most business management treat business as a right, not an opportunity that can be taken away at any time, and customers as just an impediment to their money and think the customers AND employees owe them a living.

        Banks are even worse.

      3. Mark 85

        Re: A company I worked for was sending its management and sales teams...

        And US based companies wonder why there is no loyalty anymore.

        Another poster is right. They don't wonder. Back when companies were founded and owned by the family, they did care. A lot of the old guard owners preached loyalty and believed in it. When they died off and the family didn't want to run the business, they sold stock.. which leads to MBA's.. which gets us to where we are today.

        Back in the 70's/80's timeframe, when the Japanese were kicking everyone's corporate butt, they had the old school philosophy of loyalty, we do well and so will you. There was a joke that all we needed to do to bring the Japanese economy to it's knees was export some Harvard MBA's their way.... I think it worked.

  15. The Godfather
    Facepalm

    Well......

    Does anyone ever reach those milestones......??

    1. Swarthy
      Devil

      Re: Well......

      Not any more, and they'll be saving a mint by replacing them w/ cheap, wet-behind-the-ears college grads and H1Bs.

  16. Darryl

    The large multinational that bought the ex-large multinational that I started working for back in the dawn of time, shut down the plant I worked in three months before my 25th anniversary. I still believe it was just to avoid spending money on a service award gift for me.

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  18. Julian Smart

    A culture of feedback to cognitive learning that’s more mobile

    Er... What the frack does that mean?

    And is there learning that isn't cognitive?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A culture of feedback to cognitive learning that’s more mobile

      "A culture of feedback to cognitive learning that’s more mobile"

      I think it means people saying to you "Time to move on to somewhere you'll be appreciated"

    2. A K Stiles
      Coat

      Re: A culture of feedback to cognitive learning that’s more mobile

      How about percussive education? (Or 'beating some sense into you / me / them' ?)

    3. Code For Broke

      Re: A culture of feedback to cognitive learning that’s more mobile

      That is IBMese. So much is lost in translation, but I'll give it a try:

      A culture of misleading customers by the use of enigmatic phrases that suggest we are engaged in a terrifically complex business that the customer ought to understand but can't without our help.

      It's mostly a game, like Mornington Crescent.

  19. Erik4872

    Gamification of the workplace!

    I seriously doubt anyone who is a new hire at IBM will ever make any of those milestones. But for those who do, there's a totally awesome 25-year badge waiting for you on your IBM social page!

    I work for a pretty staid company, so gamification of the workplace hasn't really hit here yet. But I've been reading the articles -- do Millennials really prefer badges and points to monetary awards? It seems to me that things like this would work only in companies like Google, Facebook, etc. that become your entire life. Even when I was younger I could never imagine wanting to work 16-hour days in return for "perks" that keep you there and working.

    Although, this is a first for our company...they announced a few months ago that they were "harmonizing" the long service awards across countries...but they were still giving people money (just not as much.) Usually our HR is the ones slavishly copying IBM and GE...seriously, every single management fad that comes out of those places is implemented. I think it's because they have the same white shoe management consulting firm.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Gamification of the workplace!

      "Usually our HR is the ones slavishly copying IBM and GE."

      I think even the "fad" for Human Resources should be banned as de-humanising. A Personnel Department is much more personal sounding. I suppose calling us "resources" make it easy to fire or make redundant since a resource isn't a real person. Just a number on a spreadsheet,

      1. Chris King

        Re: Gamification of the workplace!

        Another obligatory Dilbert...

    2. Tom 7

      Re: Gamification of the workplace!

      That white shoe management consulting firm - I think its just a bunch of pinko commies sent to destroy capitalism in the west. Everywhere I've worked and they've brought in management consultants the management team grows and productivity falls and its never there fault.

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