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By most accounts VMware's first stab at hyperconvergence, the EVO:RAIL software-defined Nutanix clone, was a decent set of software. But it failed, quickly, and has been quietly removed from the frontline. The reason why is simple: in its first incarnation VMware insisted that EVO:RAIL buyers acquire new vSphere licences. …

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  1. Deltics

    "Insisting that EVO:RAIL meant the acquisition of new vSphere licences therefore made no sense."

    It made sense to VMWare, trying to sell more vSphere licenses. It also made sense to VMWare customers who realised that their supplier was using the age old selling playbook where-in it is written that it is easier to find ways to get more money out of an existing customer than it is to find entirely new customers.

    Making sense wasn't the problem.

    Not liking it was the problem. :)

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    1. TheVogon
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      You are comparing hypervisor host licences with Windows OS licences. Not the same thing at all. VMware charges for the fully featured vSphere hypervisor product. Microsoft doesn't - it's hypervisor is totally free with all features enabled in Hyper-V Server.

      We don't know what the license model with Azure stack will be yet. but likely the hypervisor will remain free.

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        Free like a puppy

        Virtual Machine Manager isn't free (or even cheap).

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        1. TheVogon
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          Re: Free like a puppy

          "Virtual Machine Manager isn't free (or even cheap)."

          But you don't have to use it. You can manage everything from the command line like KVM (via PowerShell). Or you can use third party products.

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  2. Anonymous Coward
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    Cores and software?

    The delay may be more likely because the software isn't ready and there will be a licensing shift to cores with Windows Server which will probably send shock waves of confusion throughout the market. Best to ship good software and let the market calm down on the cores thing before bringing people their own cloud with licensing issues galore !

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  3. toplard

    The license mistake is a classic economic signal the product or even company is on the margin of profit. I'd get out of their stock.

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  4. Aitor 1

    Licensing problem

    I like Oracle and Microsoft products.

    But these days, licensing costs just can't justify using them.

    Oracle has good products that make it too easy to use "enterprise" parts of them so the price jumps 10x, and they you are out of compliance, etc. Avoid.

    Microsoft.. you need an specialist to know the price, and even then, nothing is sure... also, they really love to charge per seat, and pricing only makes sense if you go fully into microsoft products.. An please dont mention SAP.

    So now many people are going to SaS.. Why? In maby cases, licensing..it is just cheaper for them.. running your own high availability system paying oracle et al is way more expensive... and doing it yourself requires talent, and talent reuires money.

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