Brexit will happen. The EU GDPR will happen. You can't avoid either Article 50, the process for Britain’s formal withdrawal from the European Union, is looming. Upon the conclusion of Article 50, data centres resident in Britain will no longer be subject to EU data protection rules. Today, UK data centres are bound by the EU Data Protection Directive (95/46/C), which was in turn based on the …
Don't worry. The Graun readers have decided that EVERYBODY who voted leave is a racist (incidentally, the second worst slur the lefities have - the ultimate big boy is "Daily Mail reader").
According to the Spectator the Graun is going to shut its comment forums presently, so the Reg will be soon be even more contaminated with digital refugees, coming here to vent their socialist bile and hatred of democracy.
Given the complete loss of all and any sense of humour and inability to recognise sarcasm when it comes to anything around the referendum, I have no idea if this, or the AC to which it was addressed, were intended sarcastically or not.
We are here because the combined forces or our glorious leaders and supposedly intellectual superiors failed (and lost ground against, how FFS) to win over what were apparently just a bunch of old uneducated xenophobes.
The day when people stop letting the referendum prod them into being crap to each other really can't come soon enough.
"Or possibly very well educated people who <emfound reasons other than "blimmin' forinnners"</em> to vote exit."
Of which there are NONE.
Seriously.
Citation needed.
Because the way the EU is now trying to steal the pensions funds (BTW, until the UK is out the UKs and the Netherlands pension funds, which form the vast majority of pension savings funds within the EU, are still at risk. Look into the recently passed EU wide pension legislation), the way the EU is trying to backdoor in an EU wide army, the way the EU is trying to backdoor a federation, the way the EU is trying to backdoor and backroom handle trade negotiations like TTIP and CTIP and the way the EU is trying to backdoor and closed door backroom handle many many other less than popular legislations cannot POSSIBLY be a reason to vote for Leave. Nope, just "blimmin forinrs"...
Maybe you should step out of your little bubble and meet some people from other walks of life. You seem to have been infected with EU propaganda. And if you really think all those who voted leave are ignorant racists it bloody well falls on the Remain campaign for failing to actually, you know, campaign and explain people PROPERLY why remain is the better option. Instead of going doom mongering.
"Given the complete loss of all and any sense of humour and inability to recognise sarcasm when it comes to anything around the referendum"
This is indeed a great loss. Quite possibly the worst harm caused by all that Brexit brouhaha.
As one fellow commenter half-jokingly quipped: British sense of humour is about the only thing why Brits are really needed in the EU.
Yes, mentality is pretty darn important. With that in peril everything else is in peril. Economic matters can be resolved eventually, given enough time and effort, maybe with a need to suffer few years of hardship along the way. Trust, however, is very hard to regain. And a society so bitterly divided may take a whole generation to heal.
On the other hand it's not uniquely British problem. Great divisions over small(ish) issues seem to become normal all over the world. Like it was an alien mindbug or something like that. About the only thing a sane person can do is to be cautious and not go along with mindlessly screaming hordes. Oh, and keep the sense of humour intact.
As a fully signed up member of the Guardian reading London Metropolitan Elite I feel the need to point out you are quite wrong, your not Daily Mail readers or Racists, you are Daily Mail reading Racists! :-)
In all seriousness though, the Guardian closing its comments section is probably good news, the way the Indie's comments section has gone is horrendous, Calling many of commentators there racist is an insult to racists and I would hate to the Guardian turn into the cesspool of full on (Islamophobic) hate that is the Indie's comments section is these days.
"Don't worry. The Graun readers have decided that EVERYBODY who voted leave is a racist (incidentally, the second worst slur the lefities have - the ultimate big boy is "Daily Mail reader").
According to the Spectator the Graun is going to shut its comment forums presently, so the Reg will be soon be even more contaminated with digital refugees, coming here to vent their socialist bile and hatred of democracy."
The Guardian is wrong for not all those who voted Leave are racists. They are also ignorant, ill-informed, ill-educated, Europhobes, xenophobes and Polish-haters too.
Leave only had a marginal win at best and that win was only based on outright lies (the most egregious of which was that all EU money was going to be diverted to the NHS) and scaremongering about immigrants (like the leaflet that implied that the whole of the Turkish population was coming to the UK).
The Leave campaign made it acceptable to express hate in both verbal and physical form and that has very tragically led to some murders too. Yet no one from the Leave campaign, or supporters thereof, have condemned these attacks.
It is also a blatant falsehood to claim that only voters of the left voted to remain to within the EU for many millions of voters of the centre and centre-right also voted to remain in the EU.
"The Leave campaign made it acceptable to express hate in both verbal and physical form and that has very tragically led to some murders too. Yet no one from the Leave campaign, or supporters thereof, have condemned these attacks."
What an incendiary and disgusting comment to make. No campaign made it acceptable to do anything. Least of all to murder or abuse someone. None of that is acceptable in any way shape or form ever.
What I do know is, the world didn't end, world war 3 (and yes that was predicted by someone very central to the remain campaign) did not happen and that people did not have to have the fear of God put into them to scare them to vote a certain way. As another poster said above, plenty of people had many reasons that were nothing to do with xenophobia for leaving the EU. How dare you tar everyone with the same brush.
If it wasn't binding it wouldn't be a democracy. You're damn right its a mandate and people need to get over themselves and accept that. Brexit hasn't happened yet no, had you heard the hysteria at the time you would have thought the world was going to end as soon as a decision to leave was made. The world will not end when Brexit does happen either.
I doubt anyone is going to come back to these comment pages so long after the story being published but I thought I'd reply!
@heyrick
Did I ever say it wasn't advisory? Jeez you muppet try reading for God's sake. However, the people voting would expect the result to be binding regardless. I doubt the leave campaign would have been crying like babies that they didn't get the result they wanted and asking for another referendum. Nor would they be blathering on about it being advisory. As a leave campaigner I would have accepted a result to stay in as the will of the people. Quite simple really.
You said, and I quote: "If it wasn't binding it wouldn't be a democracy." What the hell is a binding advisory referendum supposed to be? If it is binding then it isn't advisory. Quite simple really.
"I doubt the leave campaign would have been crying like babies that they didn't get the result they wanted and asking for another referendum." Actually I believe that's EXACTLY what Farage was saying when he originally thought the result was going to be Yes.
Plus, the big poll for having a second referendum was started by a leave supporter.
But, hey, pretty much the entire leave campaign has been a whole lot of bullshit, what's a little more, eh?
"Good plan. We just need to agree on who the racist are."
Kill them all. God / Farage will recognise his own.
Can we start on the politicians, journalists, estate agents, lawyers and priests when we finish. After that we can get the Windows / Linux / Mac users {1.} up against the wall
1. Delete inapplicable.
data centres resident in Britain will no longer be subject to EU data protection rules.
This is only relevant if they will have any Eu business. That depends on DPR, taxation, VAT rules between UK and Eu and god knows what else.
Looking at any tea leaves before these are resolved is rather pointless. If the "hard line" of current BrExit secretary is to be implemented, there may be very little business in the first place so nothing to worry about from that perspective. It will be more appropriate to worry about getting that potato picker job in Lincolnshire to replace the evicted Eastern European migrants.
If a softer line is followed we need to see what will be the actual regs.
In any case, regardless of the softness or hardness of the negotiation line, UK-only Datacenter operators of the "physical server" variety are looking at lost business. Business does not like uncertainty - they will move somewhere where they can colocate without worrying about all of it. Cloudy/Virtualized providers who have facilities in both Eu and UK will just see some move from left pocket to right pocket + conversions as their ability to move the processing to the correct location becomes a major selling point.
Looking at any tea leaves before these are resolved is rather pointless
Au contraire, examining all the possibilities, ranking them by probability and looing at what mitigations to take for those with the biggest potential impact is all about effectively managing a company.
Look what just sitting and waiting ant not preparing did for our Govenment's Brexit strategy.
We are in the process of moving all our data and company registration to Amsterdam.
It's a bit of a hassle but worth it in the long run. We will not be held hostage to entirely unpredictable processes. Is the UK going to leave the EU? If so, when? Which EU regulations will the UK gov. still want/have to implement post-Brexit? Which regulation will change? Will that be for the better or worse? How much extra burden is having to comply with both UK and EU regulations? etc. etc.
By moving to a country that will stay in the EU any Brexit risk is then only impacting our UK customers, for the majority of our customers nothing changes. Far better than the other way around.
moving ... to Amsterdam.
By moving to a country that will stay in the EU
Given current unhappyness about government policy and the rise of EU skeptic political parties in the Netherlands, I have my doubts you should be so certain about that. I do believe however if it comes to the Netherlands leaving the EU it will be because the project has finally just failed so miserably it just falls apart. Doing so at the moment imho would probably have a massive negative impact on our economy (even if it IS the smart/right thing to do).
Of course we have looked into this risk and the actual chances of the Netherlands leaving the EU are minute.
Only one of the Dutch political parties (the far-right PVV of Geert Wilders) has ever favoured leaving the EU. They have gone remarkably quiet on this specific topic since the British referendum as the Dutch voter reads about the turmoil it has thrown the UK in and popularity of the EU has risen as a result. The PVV have now pivoted from anti-EU back to anti-foreigner. Furthermore, the PVV has just published its one-page election manifesto that is so outlandish (read: deliberately written to not be able to ever join a coalition government) that it makes Jeremy Corbyn look dead-set as the new PM. Don't expect a Dutch political party to make the same mistake Cameron has made, especially not after Cameron has shown the rest of Europe the dangers of it.
"Of course we have looked into this risk and the actual chances of the Netherlands leaving the EU are minute."
I seem to recall an awful lot of people saying similar things about the referendum here too...
Do you? I don't -- no-one who ever looked at the polling over the last few years, anyway.
@Len,
I think your research is a bit flawed to be honest. There are more parties and politicians that have voiced doubt about the current direction/organisation/politics of the EU.
On top of that you seem to highly overestimate the intelligence of the average politician in the Netherlands. If they think they can get votes by being EU skeptic they will be EU skeptic. On top of that the current governing parties (PvdA and VVD) are polling at an all time low and total decimation at the next elections (next year). PVV is still polling at a major win. Whatever happens in the meantime, political upheaval and uncertainty is no doubt coming to the Netherlands come the elections next year. I doubt it's going to stay business as usual over here.
I'll agree Geert Wilders is a bit of a loony and his "election 'manifesto'" is somewhat laughable, but we'll have to see if possibly VNL might be able to jump into the gap by being right wing but not batshit insane.
In any case, there is a massive undercurrent of dissatisfaction with the current government and current EU and Netherlands policies. Who knows how that will eventually work out. I wouldn't exclude a Nexit. (Like I said, my thinking is this will only happen if the EU as a whole falls apart)
@Len, BTW, don't get me wrong, you are very welcome in our little country. We could do with the added work/economy/tax given how many companies have left or fallen over. I'm just a little puzzled why anybody would choose the Netherlands out of all the EU countries on offer given our current goverments hostility towards any bussiness smaller than a few million euros turnover (Current attitudes seem to be: "If you don't make enough to make a special deal with the Tax services, bend over and take it!"). I certainly wouldn't consider starting a company in the Netherlands. And I live here!
nothing like premature ejection to spoil the mood.
the likely hood is that the UK will retain the same EU rules and regulations with the option to amend as and when is required using the normal predictable UK procedures and time lines.
yes the top court for rulings will change to a UK based one but why is that such a bad thing?
Also if you are trading in the UK what will be the impact to you of hosting UK data bound by UK rules in a foreign land?
interesting anecdotal data point. But if your employer wants to trade in the UK (which seems likely) they will still have to deal with the complications of trading across the new EU border between the UK and the EU27, won't they? And I'm pretty sure that a company which manufactures goods or provides services from sites located in the UK will still have to deal with whatever tariffs, taxes, regulations and whatnot are imposed, regardless of where the company's registered head office is. No? (IANAL, as must be glaringly obvious...)
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