Windows updates? Just trust us, says Microsoft executive At Microsoft's recent Ignite event in Atlanta, The Reg sat down with Brad Anderson, Corporate Vice President of Enterprise Client and Mobility. Brad Anderson is a Microsoft veteran who oversees how Windows and mobile devices are managed in business. A decade ago it was simple: firewall-protected network, Windows PCs, and …
"As we build confidence with IT pros"
Maybe he should get out more and read what IT pros actually think about Microsoft because there's a huge assumption built into that statement.
I agree, wholeheartedly.
As for all the statements in the article, where the fuck do I start? Almost everything in them seems to be damage limitation and a serious attempt to try and pull the wool over the eyes of businesses everywhere. Just why the hell should any professional I.T. bod think that MS will ever be trustworthy for data security? They're no better than Google, Apple or Facebook in that regard, and if you 'buy' wholesale into Windows 10, they have your PCs by the balls. All they want to do is snoop the data so they can chuck crapware adverts all over their customers. And of course, avoid the Windows 7 retention issue, which looks like it might become the new XP.
Binning your QA department and relying on volunteers is not a good way to build confidence and trust.
Bundling adware and malware (GWX, IE advertising) with your updates is also not a good way to build confidence and trust.
Releasing a number of major Windows 10 updates that have broken things in various ways is also not a good way to build confidence and trust.
Trust has to be earned. Right now, MS seem to be doing everything in their power to lower the quality of updates and to harm that trust, then they're telling us to let them update everything for us, and are implementing blocks so that updates on some classification of machines are forced.
And they're wondering why Windows 10 has received an iffy reception amongst IT Pros?
Trust if you must but who carries the can when things go wrong, as they will?
You for trusting an external entity, your IT department or MS who, in this scenario, seem to have the majority of control?
Your choice of course. Me, I'll stick to something a bit more controllable
Fairly sure almost all of us have endured a long, abusive relationship with MS for a long, long while now. They were shitty to us for a long time; recently, they're been trying to make it up to us when they realised some of us were seeing RHEL on the side, and yeah, they've undeniably done some nice things lately. But this all sounds a little bit too much like 'oh c'mon baby, just gimme one more chance...'
Anderson said: "So we can take a look at the user’s identity, the device they are working on, the app that they are using on the device. We can also take a look at telemetry coming in from our partner ecosystem."
GawdAlmighty... I can hear NSA, CIA, DIA, FBI, DHS... all salivating and cheering and back-slapping in ecstatic fits of joy! Finally... every Windows computer around the globe, "phoning home" and ... say! Isn't that data retention center in the Utah desert ready for an expansion? By an order of magnitude, perhaps?
Indeed. This is actually a very serious problem. Chronic exposure is now being implicated in causing the habitual user a catalogue of serious disorders:
Hypertension,
Anal retention,
Anaemia,
Stroke,
etc...
..and spinach isn't much better either.
Probably best to minimise exposure to both by substituting more palatable alternatives wherever possible.
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Okay. Sure. I'll (for arguments sake only) give them that, in the long run, the sum total of patches will improve the system.
The problem is that by letting them all in, I'm stuck living with the crappy ones until they deign to fix'em. With a track record that includes 20 years with holes in place, I'm not willing to take those risks.
>This is based on Azure Active Directory (AAD), as used by Office 365. Businesses using Active Directory on-premises can set up synchronisation with AAD using various tools.
We migrated to 365 and were told to keep on premises exchange incase Azure goes TITSUP, by MS support ... anon for obvious reasons.
Yes, I've had some customers at the receiving end of that policy.
When the "signals/telemetry" comes back with GIGO-style results and refuses to allow you to use the software that you as the licensee are entitled to use - this is the reason for healthy dollops of scepticism.
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is that some kind of record?
We all know your ongoing sage with Apple but to sit down with someone in the know at MS.... Wow...
All I can hope is that you directed said MS spokesperson to read some of the Vitriol that appears here whenever MS messes around with the updating process.
We (well, I was but not now) are on the sharp end of their crap decision making. We have to shelter our end users from the crap patched that you MS put out in the hope that....
1) we don't notice
2) they actually fix the issue (history says not)
Come on El Reg, tell us what you used to beat this MS honcho around the head with so that the crappiness of the shit they release is driven home.
Oh, and if we were going to update/downgrade to Windows 10, we would have done it by now so for effing craps sake stop it.
Now going for another beer in the hope that it will help me forget MS until monday.
whoever from MS sat down with somebody from El Reg probably knows that most people who threaten to "leave Macro$$$uck 4evar" are just the loud minority and that they aren't worth the attention.
i'm practically a philanthro-fucking-pist for endeavouring to do so, right now:
easily 99% of you who say that Windows 10 is the last straw said that about Vista and said that about Windows 95. then you moved to Linux and then tried to listen to an mp3 or print a file or read a Word document or, I don't know, LOCK YOUR SCREEN, and it fucked up in some incredibly esoteric or stupid way.
you think i'm going to show my fucking parents the difference between Xfce or GNOME or KDE and play "find the start bar" for them or "what fucking workspace am I in now?" you think I'm going to explain the difference between an rpm, tgz, or deb? if you hate microsoft so much, YOU fucking do all that shit for me, for free. your payment will be the ineffable, warm-and-fuzzy joy you get knowing that you're "really sticking it to" a multimillion dollar company by sacrificing hours a week playing BOFH: The Home Game.
Dumb fucks.
Know what? You almost got an up vote for:
"Easily 99% of you who say that Windows 10 is the last straw said that about Vista and said that about Windows 95."
This is true, especially if they think they're clever for using "Windoze" or "M$."
Your bizarre, uninformed, trolling anti-Linux rant turned that up vote upside-down. :(
easily 99% of you who say that Windows 10 is the last straw said that about Vista and said that about Windows 95.
Those that said it had their reasons. With W95 it was mostly about driver issues but bear in mind that the number of PCs affected was miniscule compared with current. With Vista it was because it was buggy and bloated and wasn't helped by that "Vista Ready" scheme that proved to be somewhat inaccurate. In both cases the systems in question eventually came up to scratch but were more notably superseded by systems that weren't quite such a pain in the arse, namely Windows 98 and Windows 7.
then you moved to Linux and then tried to listen to an mp3 or print a file or read a Word document or, I don't know, LOCK YOUR SCREEN, and it fucked up in some incredibly esoteric or stupid way.
It did? I've been using various Linuxen for many years with all sorts of different UIs and haven't noticed a problem. Yes, the mp3 business was a pain but bear in mind that this has more to do with protectionism than a system problem in itself and is easily worked around. I forget the last time I actually had an MP3 based problem overall.
Opening a Word document? LibreOffice, OpenOffice and a few others have had no problems with doing this, whether you install them on Linux or, you know, Windows! I'll say nothing about loading Word on a Linux system using WINE, though I and many others can testify that it can be done.
And as for locking my screen... you are really reaching for the FUD!
you think i'm going to show my fucking parents the difference between Xfce or GNOME or KDE and play "find the start bar" for them or "what fucking workspace am I in now?"
That's your choice. The difference between the UIs you mention isn't that great that you need to give a guided tour but at least many distros will give you a chance through the various Live environments.
They all, however, have start "bars" that are easily found and will show the current workspace in a fairly intuitive fashion. Or are your parents really that incapable? In that case you'd better keep them away from Windows 10 as well!
you think I'm going to explain the difference between an rpm, tgz, or deb?
You really think they need to know? Aren't you just grousing for the sake of it? Have you ever explained the difference between an msi, exe or zip? Do they even care?
if you hate microsoft so much, YOU fucking do all that shit for me, for free. your payment will be the ineffable, warm-and-fuzzy joy you get knowing that you're "really sticking it to" a multimillion dollar company by sacrificing hours a week playing BOFH: The Home Game.
Why should anyone here do that? Or are you just a Microsoft fanboi or a shill with a rather lavatorial turn of phrase?
Oddly enough it tended to be Word that had that problem when the lock-in train was running full-tilt.
Indeed. The nice thing about LibreOffice and its predecessors is that they worked pretty hard to open whatever was flung at them, even when Microsoft protectionism was at its worst.
Oddly enough it tended to be Word that had that problem when the lock-in train was running full-tilt.
I have never had a problem opening a Word document with Word. I did have a problem once with a Word document created in Star Office.* When Star Office (and Word) failed to open the document I was told that I should have been periodically doing a File, Save as... That's something I never needed to do with Word though I never used the DOS versions or Word for Windows 1.0.
I have seen this problem however. It was always when the Fast Saves setting had been enabled and so could be considered self-inflicted.
* Star Office was the predecessor of Open/Libre Office and was a paid-for commercial product.
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