Sun needs to pull its head out and listen to what its older customers need. I want servers that fit in my racks (which were bought to host Netra X1) and I will not run Solaris 10 as its too broken and I can't audit its security on a lean system (think 4 packages on the system in total) like we can with Solaris 9. Who had the bright idea to put startup/shutdown data that has to be audited in a proprietary binary format? Its supposed to be Unix and with modern hardware there is no time savings with binary files even if they are parsed a billion times. I buy Sun for all Internet facing servers since their nice little hardware stack provides an extra layer of security against buffer overflow problems. We run quite a bit of Sun hardware ranging from antiques like Sparcstation 20 and SS1000 to the newer telco grade Netra 210 which seem to be built like a tank.