AV useless on Windows?

Thanks for giving the heads up to the ones that hack yet "unknown" security holes to inject viruses into unprotected windows machine's, unless those people are mythological or something, and I'm just imagining it :P Of course I kid, those professional hackers already know there's a lot of people who don't believe in AV to keep their (windows) servers partially safer.

Every time I hear of the perfect security solution to use, there's always some security hole that's found that takes the machine over completely.

Plus, an updated av, while not protecting one from unknown security issues, do cover all the already known ones. And from personal experience, just because there is protection from AV from a certain virus/script/whatever doesn't mean that exploit isn't still being used, or at least attempted. I keep hearing of old viruses showing up after waiting to find another computer that was unpatched, or didn't have an AV watching for it to show up.

Not using AV in windows just because it can't protect from everything is like saying I'm not going to go to the doctor if I'm really sick because they can't make me immortal :P

And yes, we all know if we used something other than windows we could throw the AV away, but unfortunately because MS was such a nice company for so long, every good program maker writes only for Windows still. Such is the situation we live in, it's no need to insult users, it's not like their decision's are causing the world to end or are harming baby seals.

Also, just porn and warez is the statement of those who have very limited experience, or just like to ignore the fact, that not all of it happens at the corporation. Many more times corporations get hacked because of laptops people go home with, and flash drives. You can't keep people from their porn and warez at home (who the F* does warez anymore anyway, what is this the 90's, usually it's porn and misspelled web sites leading to exploits, welcome to the new millennium?), and portable memory make very good vessels for trojans (flash, cd-r, dvd-r, etc.) :P The best viruses are the ones that do nothing noticeable, and use very little resources, and tend to be seen by no AV anyway (like a botnet-ed machine). But that, at least, has been the way things have been since windows first went onto the internet and needed AV all the time. But back then people were still too busy bowing to MS as their future provider of great bells and whistles :P

But hey, what do I know... :-P Just that if you have a system you think doesn't need an AV, it probably doesn't need to be running windows either, 2 birds, one stone :) Unless the computer that is using windows has no memory input devices of any kind, and has no network connection, it needs an AV or it's just on borrowed time. Getting a virus is bad luck, not something you can plan against.

Just a side, mcafee and norton haven't been that useful for a while as any serious virus writer will target them first to get around. AVG is actually catching up at being worked around by viruses, good for them to have that kind of recognition, but bad that now they are getting less secure. By working around I mean, going into the OS below the AV's view, or infecting the AV itself and using it to do all the dirty work. The easiest thing if you use windows is to accept it will get infected somehow eventually, or if you're lucky it will break first :P Then get on with your life enjoying the fact you at least have what pretty much is a super computer at your fingertips :P lol Because computer's are so fast now, just on chance, there is a higher likelihood of more computers having silent infections and/or are parts of botnets, but so far it seems to have been pretty much windows only.

Someday we'll go back to the day where hackers have to sniff info from the network to get their goods, instead of being able to go right onto the server and do whatever they want. But for now Windows makes everything easy ;P