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i still work for atlas and its a joke, there are contractors on 300 a day while permanent staff - in positions of high responsibility get a lowly 16 1/2K basic - welcome to the real world though folks, the machines do cost alot - 5-600 a machine, then support etc on top for however long - it all adds up - plus the huge bill to Microsoft for their "secure" xp build, then you have the telephony system to support the user (Single Point Of Contact) - and the Huge Amount the Software distribution costs (Via HP - and no, it doesnt work - and yes as contractors they are on a bucket of money a day - new BMW's all round in that department) all im saying is dont blame Fujitsu/EDS - look at BT, and HP, and Microsoft and the ridiculous amounts they are charging - and to the person above who worked in the armed forces apparently on "F" Terminals - thats odd as F terminals arnt in the Theater of War yet as we know they arnt ready - you may have used "c" terminals and those where Fujitsu ONLY - nothing to do with Atlas