can you say fanboy?

excuse me, im as impartial as the next guy but "having their arses handed to them" is a bit of a bold statement, weigh up the facts, at the price range of the ati 3870 there doesnt seem to be much of a challenge? the 8800gt is more expensive and only marginally better (yes it is better) but at the end of the day people buy this kind of card for price for performance if not you would buy the ultra would you not? so they win there. secondly they are expected to actually be in stock, again this cant be said for the Nvidia. so nvidia have a brilliant card, but its more expensive and almost impossible to get hold of.. yes i see amd are getting their arses handed to them?!

as for the processors, not a clue, but given the fact that the X2 ranges arent that far from the core 2 in terms of price for performance it should be able to give a tiny bit of a battle. and dont tell me all that ill educated crap about core 2's being better, yes they run cooler yes they overclock better, but for the consumer market and not enthusiasts who cares if its cooler or overclocks well. price for performance is the main issue and it can be very very close in some areas.