crazy crazy crazy

So I watched the video and as much as Oracle tries to hide that is is re-badged Sun x86 it still is with no innovation in the hardware.

The only value is the "pay as your grow" or what some people call sub capacity pricing. Just because they refuse to offer sub-capacity pricing on vmware does not make me want to switch to oracle linux and oracle VM on sun hardware.

Go back to zero and start over. Strangely enough we are "SMB" size and priced out the cost of x86 HP with Intel and decided to go with IBM's Power7 instead. The software cost savings justified the higher hardware price not to mention the reliability saved us from the expense of doing RAC.

Cheers

SPARC64 is DEAD

Here is the official SPARC64 roadmap.

Clearly SPARC64 is DEAD

http://www.fujitsu.com/global/services/computing/server/sparcenterprise/technology/protection/roadmap.html

You should check out the spanking Leisure Suit Larry just got today

www.tpc.org

Larry has been spending millions on ads talking about the TPC-C benchmark from last October.

Check out how Power7 compares

4 Systems vs. 12 systems

10.36M transactions vs. 7.65M transactions

$1.38/transaction vs. $2.36/transaction

224 flash drives vs. 4,800 flash drives

$11.5M Full DB2 license vs. $7.85M 3 year only license (like anyone buys 3 year...IBM should create one of those BS 3 year term things as the $/trans would be even lower)

I wonder what the next ad will be from Oracle.

35% less transactions

71% more expensive

Oracle SPANC is not dead...please keep paying our maintenance fees.....Larry needs a new America's cup yacht.

protect maint revenue, extort from Java users and starve MySQL

I don't see any future SPARC64 chips in the market after the lame 65bm 3GHz. Power7 is 8 times more powerful and Nehalem is 4X, nothing Fujitsu can do will solve the technology gap.

Even if Oracle changes the pricing so Fujitsu SPARC64 is on par with x86 it will do nothing for hardware sales and will only hurt Oracle's maintenance stream. Power7 is 4X more powerful per core than SPARC64 and is only 33% more expensive. A .5 multiplier for SPARC64 will not change the game. They would only do it to try and stave off the migrations as they trick customers into ULA's which cement the maintenance stream.

Sun hardware is dead, dead deader than dean

Larry is not a patient person and hardware is in the tank.

This is another indication that Oracle is getting out of the hardware business except for Exadata which they will soon OEM the x86 systems from Dell just like Teradata and netezza does from IBM.

Software, Hardware Complete....but we never said we would be making the hardware.

The best system in the market expandes it's value

The mainframe is the most respected system in most data centers. The discipline and management is why it is the mission critical and strategic system of choice. This sounds like it will help with the nightmare most customers have with "distributed" systems. I for one have always had the most respect for centralized systems. Larry has customers over a barrel and is becoming the new Computer Associates in the industry. IBM is fair, has the best technology and is not trying to lash together technology to charge customers millions in RAC software.

It was fun while it lasted, but dont trust Larry.....your company should not be paying for the Americas cup.

Already virtualized "the hard stuff"

We use VMWare for small applications and infrastructure clutter.

We use PowerVM for all the database workloads and larger applications

Lessons:

VMWare

- is easy for easy workloads

- is very expensive

- is not architected for heavy I/O

- cannot have a virtual machine larger than 8 threads

PowerVM

- easy but you need to use AIX versions of software

- makes Power systems cheap compared to x86+VMWare

- Can handle the highest transaction rates we have had on black Friday

- can scale from one thread to I heard over a thousand in the new boxes.

Its a matter of picking the right platforms for the right work vs. how to try to get VMWare to do something it was not made to do

Oracle will be down to one product soon

Oracle only cares about Exadata and that is only because it drives software revenue.

Every client rep had to have a proposal on the customers desk by end of December or they don't get any commission dollars.

Every client has to have a proof of concept or a customer workload benchmark or they cannot go to the sales club event.

Every Sun sales rep (the few that are left) have to sell at least one Exadata by end of May or their job and certainly their territory will be in jeopardy.

The m-class systems are of no interest to Oracle and will go the same way as the Hitachi storage very soon.

The damage will last forever

Everyone with innovation skills left / customers saw the disaster / IBM and HP pillaged

Stockholders lost billions / IBM quickly became disinterested at any price / Oracle went to the dollar store and got a bargain

Spent $4B on STK and $1B on MySQL / Could not integrate them / MySQL costs billions more as acquisition took 10 months

Solaris 10 success / Open Source blinders / Solaris 11 disaster in the making as it is based on OpenSolaris not Solaris 10

Great career / ruined Sun / career Hara-kiri

Oracle eBiz suite APPLICATIONS are not supported on Itanium

The database can be on Itanium just like any other Oracle database but the application servers will never be supported on Itanium. You are forced into a linux/x86 and HP-UX/Itanium

Argh..Oracle pricing

Why do they have to call it a "Itanium 9500"?

Oracle only charges .5 for Itanium 91xx and earlier chips.

The new pricing says Itanium 9500 will be 1 license per core as it now falls under

"All Other Multicore chips"

So the price of Oracle and Weblogic is going to be 2X per core and the core performance is not even going to increase.

http://www.oracle.com/corporate/contracts/library/processor-core-factor-table.pdf

I need to hear about this Power7 stuff.

hello mcfly?

"IBM has nothing at the low-end, which I'm sure you have some need for."

IBM has 4 socket p6 blades. The largest supercomputer in Europe I believe is build on p6 blades.

gotta go check the top500 list for T boxes...

Cheers from the UK

Kebabbert is a typical Chihuahua owner

If the T2+ is that good then why does Sun still try to sell us M-class boxes with Fujitsu chips for any DB or I/O workload?

I would ask if those T3 threads are simultaneous or if they are round robin KISS ass treads.

SPARC and Itanium are dead. Squeezed out between Nehalem and Power.

As I recall Pony tail boy claimed the T2 was 9.6GHz because he tried to multiply 1.2 * 8 cores.

Pot/Kettle/Black....join us or die ugly

Cheers from the UK

The truth hurts

You forgot to mention how little Sun makes on software vs. hardware. IBM made the transition to software and services while Sun could only give software away for free.

Get out your wallets

Safra Catz, Oracle's other co-president, said that Oracle would be using a mix of cash and debt to acquire Sun, and that the company believed that the Sun unit could deliver $1.5bn in non-GAAP operating income per year,

Run for the Hills.....RIF day is is coming...and maintenance costs will be doubled.

SPARC is dead, Exadata is dead

Expect a lot of things to die with this deal. Oracle has no patience for low margin hardware unless it sells lots of software licenses.

HP is the real loser as they are the only ones without a software stack which is were the real profit is. (but they still have ink)

McNealy's life work is for nothing buy Larry's chopping block.

Due Diligence = "wow Sun is a FCUKed up company"

No thank you

And you want $33M each for the loser CEO and the Joker chairman?

Your software does not make money let alone profit.

The only money to be made is in maintenance fees for hardware..that will make customers happy with the acquiring company

STK, MySQL....where did all the good people go?

You spend $3B on stock buy backs and the stock is in shambles?

Next layoff day all the people who get RIF'd should stand out front and way white flags

If IBM wants to buy Sun they need to pay pony tail boy more than Sam

Sam makes $1.8M in base salary.....and you wonder why IBM would not pay Pony Tail $33M

The whole board should be fired

The company needs either a new coach or needs to merge with a new team.

Think of this like a basket ball team where you have a coach more interested in talking to press and the fans vs. helping the team on the court. The team is tired, fed up and is looking to be acquired even if it means they will lose their job. Everything is in complete disarray.

It's 9pm and the sky is red.

Another Itanium alliance member quits!!!!! err more like it dies

First Unisys now SGI. The Tukwila 12month delay will cause others to dump it. The volumes just not support having an Itanium system unless you are HP.

Looks like Itanium will be nothing more than an HP-UX PA-RISC replacement.

Rick Beluzzo...why did you force SGI to move to Itanium? If you look at the critical decision that sunk SGI it was hiring the HP Itanium fanboy.

Stupid is as stupid does

Announce 6,000 layoffs which affect 20% of the company....than tell people the number is too high this time. Hello....everyone is still extremely worried now......how stupid.

oh btw....ROCK was killed today. It was being kept alive because Fujitsu might be interested but now that they are out and IBM has no interested in another sparc 8 socket at most box....its dead.

Hopefully NiagaraIII will survive.....ironic that the sales force layoffs were on the same day as Nehalem announce.

ironic

Ironic that our last glimmer of technology the T2+ will be killed by Nehalem and we are helping the demise with Solaris support.

someone please buy us and put us our of our misery....I need a golden parachute

but then again Linux looks like the right answer....crazy that we sell more windows and linux on our x86 boxes than solaris